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Sep 11, 2015 12:19:26   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Canon T3i, Canon EF-S 10-18 mm.

I love this lens, and it's still new enough, with not a lot of photo ops for its properties, that I find the challenge of using it to actually be fun :)

Comparing the two below, is #1 more successful because you know the size of an apple? Is #2 of any interest, for textures and patterns perhaps, even if you don't know how close I was or what the size of the foreground vegetation is?

Any other observations re ultra-wide in general, suggestions for use, your posted examples or references...all would be welcome and appreciated! Thanks for your time.


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My idea was "A bug's eye view."
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Sep 11, 2015 12:32:36   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Canon T3i, Canon EF-S 10-18 mm.

I love this lens, and it's still new enough, with not a lot of photo ops for its properties, that I find the challenge of using it to actually be fun :)

Comparing the two below, is #1 more successful because you know the size of an apple? Is #2 of any interest, for textures and patterns perhaps, even if you don't know how close I was or what the size of the foreground vegetation is?

Any other observations re ultra-wide in general, suggestions for use, your posted examples or references...all would be welcome and appreciated! Thanks for your time.
Canon T3i, Canon EF-S 10-18 mm. br br I love this... (show quote)


Linda, the apple orchard photo is really interesting. The perspective, depth of field, and composition really provide a lot of visual delight.
--Bob

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Sep 11, 2015 12:33:17   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
rmalarz wrote:
Linda, the apple orchard photo is really interesting. The perspective, depth of field, and composition really provide a lot of visual delight.
--Bob


Thank you very kindly, Bob!

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Sep 11, 2015 12:49:41   #
lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Canon T3i, Canon EF-S 10-18 mm.

I love this lens, and it's still new enough, with not a lot of photo ops for its properties, that I find the challenge of using it to actually be fun :)

Comparing the two below, is #1 more successful because you know the size of an apple? Is #2 of any interest, for textures and patterns perhaps, even if you don't know how close I was or what the size of the foreground vegetation is?

Any other observations re ultra-wide in general, suggestions for use, your posted examples or references...all would be welcome and appreciated! Thanks for your time.
Canon T3i, Canon EF-S 10-18 mm. br br I love this... (show quote)


Yes Linda, #1 is more successful because you have used the ultrawide to highlight one of its idiosyncratic strengths - the ability to manipulate scale and near/far size relationships.

You have probably seen it already, and his site does have some questionable stuff on it, but this little article of Ken Rockwells is one of the best you will see discussing the use of these lenses.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/how-to-use-ultra-wide-lenses.htm


I do not find # 2 very interesting, sorry.

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Sep 11, 2015 13:15:23   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Thanks very much for your input and the link, lighthouse. No worries on #2 :)

I just gave a quick browse to Ken's article - looks well worth reading in detail. Thanks again!

lighthouse wrote:
Yes Linda, #1 is more successful because you have used the ultrawide to highlight one of its idiosyncratic strengths - the ability to manipulate scale and near/far size relationships.

You have probably seen it already, and his site does have some questionable stuff on it, but this little article of Ken Rockwells is one of the best you will see discussing the use of these lenses.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/how-to-use-ultra-wide-lenses.htm


I do not find # 2 very interesting, sorry.
Yes Linda, #1 is more successful because you have ... (show quote)

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Sep 11, 2015 15:27:01   #
Dixiegirl Loc: Alabama gulf coast
 
You already know how much I love the first one, Linda, and I wasn't sure if I liked the second one or not until I downloaded. It's in the download that I can appreciate your composition and perspective. Well done IMO. I feel I'm part of the scene which makes me..the bug. :-D

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Sep 11, 2015 15:53:46   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Dixiegirl wrote:
... I feel I'm part of the scene which makes me..the bug. :-D

:thumbup:

Thanks so much for your comments, Donna!

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Sep 11, 2015 16:46:56   #
Cwilson341 Loc: Central Florida
 
Linda, I love the first one. The foreground apple really adds a lot to the overall shot. The second doesn't seem to have a clear subject and is busy. I feel sort of bad when I don't care for something but I like the apple shot enough to make up for the other!

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Sep 11, 2015 17:44:07   #
Treepusher Loc: Kingston, Massachusetts
 
Let's try again. The first shot is one of my favorites from you, and that's saying something, as you've done some terrific stuff. The foreground apple draws you right into the orchard and explains all the other red things on the trees very clearly and concisely. There's no question as to scale, the apple shows it perfectly, as do the others on the trees.

The second shot is like the lead-in to a dinosaur movie, as the camera zooms in to show the two-legged unsuspecting dinosaur food walking down a jungle trail. Except there's no people, no bugs (for the bug's eye view) or a flower in the foreground to give us the scale of the weeds or the trees, which could be saplings or giants. The eye has no real place to go, but wanders uneasily looking for something to give us that scale. As that initial lead-in, it's fine, but as a stand-alone, it needs a foreground object (like the apple) to give us something to fasten on.

That said, it's not a bad shot, just missing a compositional element.

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Sep 11, 2015 18:12:19   #
jwt Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
Linda, I really like both photos and its hard to pick one but I believe the first is my choice simply because I can see that apple in crisp sharp focus and then look all the way down the path (great perspective there) and see it clear all the way to the vanishing point. I love these. :thumbup:

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Sep 11, 2015 18:14:25   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Cwilson341 wrote:
Linda, I love the first one. The foreground apple really adds a lot to the overall shot. The second doesn't seem to have a clear subject and is busy. I feel sort of bad when I don't care for something but I like the apple shot enough to make up for the other!


No reason to feel bad (for me or you - lol), Carol. This forum is for honest sharing of opinions and to learn. Thanks for your time and visit!

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Sep 11, 2015 18:15:18   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Thank you so much for your assessment, Randy. This helps a great deal and I'll remember for next time!

Treepusher wrote:
Let's try again. The first shot is one of my favorites from you, and that's saying something, as you've done some terrific stuff. The foreground apple draws you right into the orchard and explains all the other red things on the trees very clearly and concisely. There's no question as to scale, the apple shows it perfectly, as do the others on the trees.

The second shot is like the lead-in to a dinosaur movie, as the camera zooms in to show the two-legged unsuspecting dinosaur food walking down a jungle trail. Except there's no people, no bugs (for the bug's eye view) or a flower in the foreground to give us the scale of the weeds or the trees, which could be saplings or giants. The eye has no real place to go, but wanders uneasily looking for something to give us that scale. As that initial lead-in, it's fine, but as a stand-alone, it needs a foreground object (like the apple) to give us something to fasten on.

That said, it's not a bad shot, just missing a compositional element.
Let's try again. The first shot is one of my favo... (show quote)

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Sep 11, 2015 18:15:47   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Thank you very much, Jim!

jwt wrote:
Linda, I really like both photos and its hard to pick one but I believe the first is my choice simply because I can see that apple in crisp sharp focus and then look all the way down the path (great perspective there) and see it clear all the way to the vanishing point. I love these. :thumbup:

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Sep 11, 2015 19:00:02   #
MattPhox Loc: Rhode Island
 
I agree with some of what has been said. I love the apple orchard shot. And the second shot really needs to be viewed in download to appreciate it. To Treepusher's point however, as nice as the download is I feel that I am hiding in the bush waiting for whatever just made that noise to appear. The eye has a tendency to just wander.

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Sep 11, 2015 19:12:21   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
MattPhox wrote:
I agree with some of what has been said. I love the apple orchard shot. And the second shot really needs to be viewed in download to appreciate it. To Treepusher's point however, as nice as the download is I feel that I am hiding in the bush waiting for whatever just made that noise to appear. The eye has a tendency to just wander.


Thanks for your time and feedback, Matt. Much appreciated!

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