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Aug 13, 2015 19:43:38   #
nakkh Loc: San Mateo, Ca
 
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/08/13/3691368/maine-welfare-drug-test-results/

" Seven other states have active drug testing programs for their welfare programs, but six have found positive drug test rates of below 1 percent, while all are below the national drug use rate of 9.4 percent. They had also collectively spent nearly $1 million to administer them as of earlier this year."

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Aug 13, 2015 20:14:49   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
I'm willing to bet that the drug use in Congress far outnumbers the drug use of people on welfare.

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Aug 13, 2015 20:19:48   #
RichieC Loc: Adirondacks
 
nakkh wrote:
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/08/13/3691368/maine-welfare-drug-test-results/

" Seven other states have active drug testing programs for their welfare programs, but six have found positive drug test rates of below 1 percent, while all are below the national drug use rate of 9.4 percent. They had also collectively spent nearly $1 million to administer them as of earlier this year."


No wonder the unemployment rate has dropped! 1 million into the economy, Pelosi is bragging right now!!!! we should expand this! Too bad murder programs didn't work as well.

Note that in Maine ( one of the states now giving drug tests for other forms of welfare) when required to work for food stamps, (being that is how I pay for them, shouldn't someone return the favor by working to receive them?), note the drop in food stamp users- yet the starvation rate has remained at a constant zero.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/breakingnews/story/2015/mar/24/thousands-dropped-maine-welfare-rolls-after-rules-enforcement-upped/295046/

So you have a valid point, either the drug tests proved a deterrent to applicants in the first place… thus the low mark, or those on welfare are ALL good decent folk and those trying to get by to afford tattoos and gold chains, the real way to cut the ranks of the truly NON-CHALLENGED is to make them work. If they work, who cares if they take drugs!!?

This leaves those who the program was meant for with shorter lines and more help, and maybe some gang bangers too tired to go out and shoot someone after a days work… which is all anybody wants.

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Aug 13, 2015 23:22:32   #
HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO
 
RichieC wrote:
No wonder the unemployment rate has dropped! 1 million into the economy, Pelosi is bragging right now!!!! we should expand this! Too bad murder programs didn't work as well.

Note that in Maine ( one of the states now giving drug tests for other forms of welfare) when required to work for food stamps, (being that is how I pay for them, shouldn't someone return the favor by working to receive them?), note the drop in food stamp users- yet the starvation rate has remained at a constant zero.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/breakingnews/story/2015/mar/24/thousands-dropped-maine-welfare-rolls-after-rules-enforcement-upped/295046/

So you have a valid point, either the drug tests proved a deterrent to applicants in the first place… thus the low mark, or those on welfare are ALL good decent folk and those trying to get by to afford tattoos and gold chains, the real way to cut the ranks of the truly NON-CHALLENGED is to make them work. If they work, who cares if they take drugs!!?

This leaves those who the program was meant for with shorter lines and more help, and maybe some gang bangers too tired to go out and shoot someone after a days work… which is all anybody wants.
No wonder the unemployment rate has dropped! 1 mil... (show quote)




Aptly stated!! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Aug 13, 2015 23:36:27   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Frank T wrote:
I'm willing to bet that the drug use in Congress far outnumbers the drug use of people on welfare.


I would think so...Lindsey must be on something oh wait, that's estrogen...never mind.



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Aug 14, 2015 08:22:16   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Wow! Something's going on in the GOP (Girls Only Party)



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Aug 14, 2015 10:10:51   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
Wow, somebody plays the gay card and you guys are all over it! Kinda like flies on a turd! Have fun with that, girls!

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Aug 14, 2015 10:17:06   #
hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts
 
RichieC wrote:
No wonder the unemployment rate has dropped! 1 million into the economy, Pelosi is bragging right now!!!! we should expand this! Too bad murder programs didn't work as well.

Note that in Maine ( one of the states now giving drug tests for other forms of welfare) when required to work for food stamps, (being that is how I pay for them, shouldn't someone return the favor by working to receive them?), note the drop in food stamp users- yet the starvation rate has remained at a constant zero.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/breakingnews/story/2015/mar/24/thousands-dropped-maine-welfare-rolls-after-rules-enforcement-upped/295046/

So you have a valid point, either the drug tests proved a deterrent to applicants in the first place… thus the low mark, or those on welfare are ALL good decent folk and those trying to get by to afford tattoos and gold chains, the real way to cut the ranks of the truly NON-CHALLENGED is to make them work. If they work, who cares if they take drugs!!?

This leaves those who the program was meant for with shorter lines and more help, and maybe some gang bangers too tired to go out and shoot someone after a days work… which is all anybody wants.
No wonder the unemployment rate has dropped! 1 mil... (show quote)


Maine has a work requirement for public assistance so it's hard to say which deterrent, working or staying "clean", has had more effect in their sudden drop in the welfare rolls.

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Aug 14, 2015 10:40:45   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
RichieC wrote:
No wonder the unemployment rate has dropped! 1 million into the economy, Pelosi is bragging right now!!!! we should expand this! Too bad murder programs didn't work as well.

Note that in Maine ( one of the states now giving drug tests for other forms of welfare) when required to work for food stamps, (being that is how I pay for them, shouldn't someone return the favor by working to receive them?), note the drop in food stamp users- yet the starvation rate has remained at a constant zero.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/breakingnews/story/2015/mar/24/thousands-dropped-maine-welfare-rolls-after-rules-enforcement-upped/295046/

So you have a valid point, either the drug tests proved a deterrent to applicants in the first place… thus the low mark, or those on welfare are ALL good decent folk and those trying to get by to afford tattoos and gold chains, the real way to cut the ranks of the truly NON-CHALLENGED is to make them work. If they work, who cares if they take drugs!!?

This leaves those who the program was meant for with shorter lines and more help, and maybe some gang bangers too tired to go out and shoot someone after a days work… which is all anybody wants.
No wonder the unemployment rate has dropped! 1 mil... (show quote)


It's about time to change rules so that a test that shows you have used drugs in the past month doesn't keep you from getting a job or cause you to lose a job. If a person uses drugs so that it impairs there ability to do a job, I absolutely agree that they shouldn't have the job but if I smoke a joint after work that shouldn't be anybody's business.

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Aug 14, 2015 12:24:08   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
thom w wrote:
It's about time to change rules so that a test that shows you have used drugs in the past month doesn't keep you from getting a job or cause you to lose a job. If a person uses drugs so that it impairs there ability to do a job, I absolutely agree that they shouldn't have the job but if I smoke a joint after work that shouldn't be anybody's business.


I agree with you in substance but I don't think there's a test that will tell you when the drug was used, only that it's still detectable.

Perhaps we need a new test?

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Aug 14, 2015 12:30:24   #
skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA
 
When someone in Congress decided "look important" and stick their nose into aviation a couple of decades ago to solve the perceived "problem" of drug using aircraft mechanics because someone with absolutely no idea of what they were talking about "thought" there was a problem (NOT), the DOT mandated random testing for ALL mechanics in "safety sensitive positions" - those people who actually "touch" aircraft and components thereof...

Can you guess what the initial results the first year were? LESS THAN 1/10th of 1%.

And a VERY invasive, VERY costly industry was born... But the cost is actually borne by y'all everytime you buy a ticket.

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Aug 14, 2015 12:33:23   #
skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA
 
Frank T wrote:
I agree with you in substance but I don't think there's a test that will tell you when the drug was used, only that it's still detectable.

Perhaps we need a new test?


A hair test (think Antarctic ice cores or tree rings as an analogy) will give you a timeline but those are prohibitively expensive.

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