The Concept Of Sin And Sacrifice
Jul 16, 2015 04:25:43 #
Not my words, but conveys a message that mirrors my POV...........
"I never understood the whole concept of sin and sacrifice. God creates rules so strict that no human can possibly obey them perfectly. Then, for some reason,
the violation of these rules forbids someone from entering heaven, and condemns them to hell (The precise nature of hell may vary between denominations).
Oh, but God will make it all ok by offering to transfer everyone's punishment of eternal torment into another individual - God, despite being omnipotent, is
bound by his own law to punish someone for sin, but it doesn't really matter who. So God, the omnipotent who apparently wrote the rules regarding sin,
still had to undergo this elaborate ritual of sacrificing Himself, to Himself, in order to save people from punishments He would otherwise have to
administer for violating rules He wrote in such a way they are impossible to obey."
Oh yea..........that's perfectly clear.....!!!
"I never understood the whole concept of sin and sacrifice. God creates rules so strict that no human can possibly obey them perfectly. Then, for some reason,
the violation of these rules forbids someone from entering heaven, and condemns them to hell (The precise nature of hell may vary between denominations).
Oh, but God will make it all ok by offering to transfer everyone's punishment of eternal torment into another individual - God, despite being omnipotent, is
bound by his own law to punish someone for sin, but it doesn't really matter who. So God, the omnipotent who apparently wrote the rules regarding sin,
still had to undergo this elaborate ritual of sacrificing Himself, to Himself, in order to save people from punishments He would otherwise have to
administer for violating rules He wrote in such a way they are impossible to obey."
Oh yea..........that's perfectly clear.....!!!
Jul 16, 2015 05:37:44 #
one day in my 76th year I was thinking about that premise. I came to the conclusion that, it didn't make sense. sin, sacrifice, obedience, praise, and worship are traits of human leaders. I think we dumped them on out Gods. offences against our fellow man are called crimes. laws are necessary for us to live together. religion is all about fear, guilt, and control. it would have left a lot of doors open if I had figured it out when I was ten, and that hot gal next door wanted to play show and touch.
Jul 16, 2015 07:15:46 #
The completely unbelievable inconsistencies in the Christian theology have never seemed to bother the true believers. "God gave his only son" (but then took him back). God with infinite powers and yet he hasn't been heard from for a very long time. I favor the philosophy of Thomas Paine in his "Common Sense". There may be a god, but not the mystical thing created by man.
Jul 16, 2015 07:17:25 #
slocumeddie wrote:
Not my words, but conveys a message that mirrors m... (show quote)
Not to mention the whole concept of "original sin" - you are born with the sins of Adam and Eve - you are guilty from day one? Sorry - I would expect my god to not be that insane.
Jul 16, 2015 07:20:40 #
And people actually celebrate the "Passover" - the first reported case of mass terrorism in which god took away the innocent children of Egypt to punish the Pharaoh. Why couldn't an omnipotent god figure out a better way to impress the Pharaoh? Remove one of his legs, for example?
Jul 16, 2015 09:50:21 #
I love the pretzel-logic debates the believers have among themselves... quoting scripture like fact, exhorting arcane scholarly interpretations and esoteric translations to prove some minor point of doctrine.. :lol: that literally no one else give a flying flock about.
Jul 16, 2015 10:29:00 #
You people do not have the least understanding, of what you are talking about. I did not read one post on this thread so far, that has even a clue. I dont have the time or inclination, to even try to explain it, and do not make the mistake of thinking! that I can not.
I will say; Pharaohs hard heart brought Gods judgment upon himself, and his people. The last one the death of the first born, he spoke on his people, and himself from his own mouth.
I had an old Aunt, who had an ulcer on her foot. She said she wished her damn foot was cut off, it was - including the leg with it. So sometimes it may pay to think! before you speak, you could get your desires. :)
I will say; Pharaohs hard heart brought Gods judgment upon himself, and his people. The last one the death of the first born, he spoke on his people, and himself from his own mouth.
I had an old Aunt, who had an ulcer on her foot. She said she wished her damn foot was cut off, it was - including the leg with it. So sometimes it may pay to think! before you speak, you could get your desires. :)
Jul 16, 2015 10:35:06 #
steve40 wrote:
You people do not have the least understanding, of... (show quote)
thanks for explaining everything to us... tying your aunt's medical issues to God's judgement brings me at least a bit of understanding in my confused mind... thank you for this.
Jul 16, 2015 10:39:42 #
sb wrote:
And people actually celebrate the "Passover" - the first reported case of mass terrorism in which god took away the innocent children of Egypt to punish the Pharaoh. Why couldn't an omnipotent god figure out a better way to impress the Pharaoh? Remove one of his legs, for example?
Not the first instance of diety-induced mass terrorism: just ask Noah.
Jul 16, 2015 11:02:44 #
OldDoc wrote:
Not the first instance of diety-induced mass terrorism: just ask Noah.
There is quite a difference between terrorism, and judgment for sin. Terrorism is something brought on you by some nut undeserved, or asked for.
Gods Judgment is brought on men because of Sin, and Unbelief.
One is mayhem, and murder (terrorism). The other is God's judgment (justice deserved).
Go out and harm someone. Then stand before a man, we call a judge. See if your crime, does not bring the judgment of the law down on you. How much more, your crimes will bring God's righteous judgment on you.
We have broken not One, but all of God's laws, and deserve judgment. But for those who will accept Jesus sacrifice for our sin, the penalty has been paid, and we are acquitted.
Jul 16, 2015 11:33:41 #
slocumeddie wrote:
Not my words, but conveys a message that mirrors m... (show quote)
The misconception that sin exists is based on an archaic belief in the supernatural and is therefore moot.
Jul 16, 2015 20:11:26 #
sb wrote:
The completely unbelievable inconsistencies in the Christian theology have never seemed to bother the true believers. "God gave his only son" (but then took him back). God with infinite powers and yet he hasn't been heard from for a very long time. I favor the philosophy of Thomas Paine in his "Common Sense". There may be a god, but not the mystical thing created by man.
I like that quote, by Thomas Paine! Thanks
Jul 17, 2015 06:50:18 #
green wrote:
thanks for explaining everything to us... tying your aunt's medical issues to God's judgement brings me at least a bit of understanding in my confused mind... thank you for this.
And yet you do not clarify why God's wrath was brought down on innocent children and not simply on the guilty party.... Inflicting harm on the children and even all following generations seems to be something this "God" (invented by man) likes to do - starting with Adam and Eve, whose actions we are all apparently still accountable for, for some reason. What child-like reasoning God must have - he MADE these two humans, and yet punishes THEM for their natural in-born instincts. Doesn't make much sense to me... (Oops - sorry - wrong quote above)
Jul 17, 2015 06:52:00 #
steve40 wrote:
There is quite a difference between terrorism, and... (show quote)
OK, sure - but the CHILDREN of Egypt were not guilty of this! Terrorism is inflicting harm on innocents to force a political position. Exactly what the Passover was all about.
Jul 17, 2015 08:03:12 #
sb wrote:
OK, sure - but the CHILDREN of Egypt were not guilty of this! Terrorism is inflicting harm on innocents to force a political position. Exactly what the Passover was all about.
Just listen to you... God was an invention of man. So what do you care? Why should it matter to you? Why argue over something that you don't believe had happen? It's a story, right? You sound foolish. If you do not believe then you have nothing to argue about.
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