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Jan 31, 2016 22:18:43   #
Bike guy Loc: Atlanta
 
Why would you ask such a question?

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Jan 31, 2016 23:32:06   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
Peterff wrote:
Thank you for your reasoned, erudite and well articulated tolerant perspective. Others can be the judge about expressed hatred, amateurism in life, and respect for other cultures and the assumptions that need to be made.

You may not be aware, but in San Francisco, in the Bay Area, and in Silicon Valley we live and work in a very diverse community on a daily basis. We live and work as inclusive teams much of the time and respect and value the diversity of cultures that all contribute to the quality of our work and our community. I live in a multi-cultural neighbor hood, although it is predominantly Asian these days. That doesn't seem to be a problem for us.

I do understand that it isn't quite the same in Arizona, but with respect, Sir, I think that it may be you that is missing the point.
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I love that one " I live in a multi-cultural neighbor hood, although it is predominantly Asian these days. That doesn't seem to be a problem for us."

For us? Problem?

In my neighborhood it seems to be a "Heintz 57 " type environment .

I don't go to or attend funerals or weddings. I shot 1 wedding, as a favor about 30 years ago. She said my shots were better than the Hired guy. Oh, well.



My point is that "birds of a feather, etc.".
Do you get invited to or to partake in a lot of asian get togethers?

I doubt it.

Diversity is something we allow in our lives, some reject it an live a very narrow minded life.

No one should have to like or accept anyone white, black, asian or gay, christian, jewish or muslim.

Those that think you have to, are very mistaken.
It's called choice.

Some people we find in our live have certain cultural, dietary or social "traits" which we don't care for.
It's your choice.

Asia is not a place to go if you don't like fish

Europe is trying to be a melting pot, it's not working.

We here have the advantage of a 300 year of gradual assimilation.

If you look at humankind over the ages, the divisions have always existed and shall continue to.

All we can ever do is to try our best.

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Jan 31, 2016 23:34:47   #
JosephSF Loc: Sonoma County CA
 
canon Lee wrote:
I would like to hear from other wedding photographers, as to their personal opinions/feelings, deciding to accept the shoot.


Seriously? This is the burning question that you came up with to pose on this photography forum? Flame me if you want but this is an idiotic question to posit here. If your objective was to chum the waters for toadies that took a class in sociology or social justice at the local junior college, well done. You get the last laugh. It is just surprising that so many people wasted so much time engaging you. Myself included.

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Jan 31, 2016 23:47:43   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
JosephSF wrote:
Seriously? This is the burning question that you came up with to pose on this photography forum? Flame me if you want but this is an idiotic question to posit here. If your objective was to chum the waters for toadies that took a class in sociology or social justice at the local junior college, well done. You get the last laugh. It is just surprising that so many people wasted so much time engaging you. Myself included.


They never seem to focus on anything important, just their own agenda.

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Feb 1, 2016 00:52:14   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
Actually, you are wrong there. There's lots of situations in which you do have to deal with people you don't like, including your kids' friends or eventually in-laws.
bvm wrote:
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No one should have to like or accept anyone white, black, asian or gay, christian, jewish or muslim.

Those that think you have to, are very mistaken.
It's called choice.....

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Feb 1, 2016 07:56:49   #
Jim Bob
 
canon Lee wrote:
I would like to hear from other wedding photographers, as to their personal opinions/feelings, deciding to accept the shoot.


Why? Don't you have your own moral code or opinion on the topic? Geesus.

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Feb 1, 2016 08:17:51   #
g8rfan1942 Loc: Ormond Beach Fl
 
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Feb 1, 2016 08:20:13   #
g8rfan1942 Loc: Ormond Beach Fl
 
Peterff wrote:
I would be concerned about a photographer taking an engagement that they weren't comfortable with, regardless of the context. How do you do good work if you are constantly dealing with a negative reaction to what you see, unless you are documenting it for some reason that you do believe in? Negative reactions tend to influence the way you make photographs in my opinion.

Would you be happy being a photographer at a wedding for a different racial or religious group? Native American? Mexican? Jewish? Southern Baptist? Mormon? Pagan? Serbian Orthodox? African American? Hindu? Muslim? Interracial or inter-cultural?

I personally think it isn't appropriate to bring your own baggage into somebody else's celebration.

In this context I think there are some important questions to consider about what the nature of relationships and marriage really mean. That's really what this debate is about.

My wife and I will be a party next month with some good friends. We'll probably both be taking pictures. They call it a 60-40-60 party.

Two gay guys that are both turning sixty and have been together as a faithful couple for forty years. It will not be a "gay" event, just a community and family event with all types of people and all ages. They just happen to be two gay guys that have demonstrated a much stronger commitment to a quality relationship than most people manage.

Personally I struggle to see what is wrong with that when I see the hypocrisy demonstrated by the self-righteousness of so many people with strongly held beliefs of some religious or other affiliation.

Something about: "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" King James Bible, Matthew 7:4 ( I think)
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Feb 1, 2016 13:29:30   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
bvm wrote:
I love that one " I live in a multi-cultural neighbor hood, although it is predominantly Asian these days. That doesn't seem to be a problem for us."

For us? Problem?

In my neighborhood it seems to be a "Heintz 57 " type environment .

I don't go to or attend funerals or weddings. I shot 1 wedding, as a favor about 30 years ago. She said my shots were better than the Hired guy. Oh, well.



My point is that "birds of a feather, etc.".
Do you get invited to or to partake in a lot of asian get togethers?

I doubt it.

Diversity is something we allow in our lives, some reject it an live a very narrow minded life.

No one should have to like or accept anyone white, black, asian or gay, christian, jewish or muslim.

Those that think you have to, are very mistaken.
It's called choice.

Some people we find in our live have certain cultural, dietary or social "traits" which we don't care for.
It's your choice.

Asia is not a place to go if you don't like fish

Europe is trying to be a melting pot, it's not working.

We here have the advantage of a 300 year of gradual assimilation.

If you look at humankind over the ages, the divisions have always existed and shall continue to.

All we can ever do is to try our best.
I love that one " I live in a multi-cultural ... (show quote)


BVM, Since you clearly know nothing about my situation, and are making assumptions about it which are completely and utterly wrong, your response is so far off base as to be laughable.

You are responding on the basis of your own world view and experience, which do not necessarily map to the experience or situation of others. Arizona is a very different cultural environment to many other parts of the US. Also, for your reference, 300 years is absolutely nothing when one looks at world history. And also take into account, that the three or four hundred years that you speak about doesn't include the history of the first nation Americans whose civilizations we destroyed.

I'm happy that you are doing the best that you can do, but please don't try to criticize others when you clearly do not know what you are talking about.

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Feb 1, 2016 13:42:02   #
bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.
 
I posted a message here a while back concerning the same thing. I was asked if I wanted to shoot a shower for a friend Jason, The crap I took was amazing. There are a LOT of ignorant people here on UHH. I don't care if you are same sex and get married. Good for you. adopt a baby , GREAT I hope you live a long and happy life , I just find it very
disturbing to see two guys kissing.
So I just told the guys I couldnt shoot their shower I was going away...

Oh and for the religious folks. Its NOT a choice its how they are. They can't change no more than you can. God made em that way so who are you to question god????

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Feb 3, 2016 16:16:44   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
canon Lee wrote:
I would like to hear from other wedding photographers, as to their personal opinions/feelings, deciding to accept the shoot.


If you are a true professional, you do the shoot, no questions, no judgement, no hassle. Period. If you have to think about this, then you should think about how professional you really are. BTW, there was a lawsuit in New Mexico in 2013 that might provide you some guidance:

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/court-holds-that-wedding-photographer-cannot-refuse-service-to-gay-couples/

So though you think you can refuse to do the wedding citing personal convictions, you are exposing yourself to potential lawsuits. If you offer photographic services to hetero couples you must do it for others - or run the risk of expensive litigation. In fact, if I were in a locale that had problems with LGBT unions, I would probably feature in my literature and promotional materials that I shoot all sorts of couples - no questions asked - and I am certain I would do a brisk business.

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Feb 3, 2016 16:21:14   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Gene51 wrote:
If you are a true professional, you do the shoot, no questions, no judgement, no hassle. Period. If you have to think about this, then you should think about how professional you really are. BTW, there was a lawsuit in New Mexico in 2013 that might provide you some guidance:

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/court-holds-that-wedding-photographer-cannot-refuse-service-to-gay-couples/

So though you think you can refuse to do the wedding citing personal convictions, you are exposing yourself to potential lawsuits. If you offer photographic services to hetero couples you must do it for others - or run the risk of expensive litigation. In fact, if I were in a locale that had problems with LGBT unions, I would probably feature in my literature and promotional materials that I shoot all sorts of couples - no questions asked - and I am certain I would do a brisk business.
If you are a true professional, you do the shoot, ... (show quote)


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