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Jun 28, 2015 08:55:29   #
GENorkus Loc: Washington Twp, Michigan
 
Gene51 wrote:
The client - always.

But the photographer will make that determination if he sees his work side by side with a working successful pro's work. Most of the difference I've seen with amateur events shooting and pro is the lighting. How the lighting is handled is the biggest "tell." A pro will use a variety of lighting techniques and modifiers to make the images look as flattering as possible to the subjects - adding a CTO filter to the flash to bring the white balance closer to ambient for a nice mix, taking the speedlight way off axis from the camera for more dramatic lighting (with shadows), posing, timing, etc. This is all assuming that the shooter can take a proper exposure and focus the camera. It's pretty easy for anyone to see the difference.

AT the end of the day, if the client can't tell the difference, then it would be a waste of money to hire a pro. It's ok to go with the cheap or free option.
The client - always. br br But the photographer ... (show quote)


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Jun 28, 2015 09:03:25   #
dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl
 
Bill Houghton wrote:
As stated above, amateur are just that, doing it for the hobby or sport of it so to say, if your thinking of changing over to professional then you charge.

The rates would be mostly on the event and service you wish to provide. If you a invited or if you just decide to take some photo's of a High School Event. Will you be printing or just providing a file threw an email. You could be looking at 15 to 45 dollars a shot. But you will have to sell them. I would suggest you be more definitive in your post.
As stated above, amateur are just that, doing it f... (show quote)



However, as an Amateur, you can recover the expenses without a profit. AT ANY RATE, Amateur or Proffesional, you first must know what expenses you will have to recover, Parking, travel, printing, shipping, etc. If you intend to give these as a wedding gift than fine, but you should still know what you are giving. Shooting a wedding or any other event for free can mean different things to different people...( Where are my 16x20 photos of the wedding party?) So make sure that everyone involved is on the same page, whether it is a gift or a professional job. The professional has the added benifit of a contract with the wedding party (Bride and Groom, or parents or other responsible party for the wedding) which will explain what is included and what is "EXTRA COST". It probably is a good idea for the amateur to have, at the very least, a document explaining what you are providing for cost or for free. You have have intended to provide a cd with all the jpg images on it and they may have expected you to provide 3x5 and 8x10 prints... Make sure you are all on the same page. It may save a friendship and keep you from feeling used if they comeback and want more.

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Jun 28, 2015 09:11:57   #
Leitz Loc: Solms
 
Veevee wrote:
Do anyone have a photo price list for amateur? THANKS


There is no price list for the amateur. You should charge only your costs, not your time.

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Jun 28, 2015 09:29:59   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Gene51 wrote:
Your pricing structure should be based on your P&L. An accountant can help you determine how much time you spend on things, what your overhead is, what your hard costs are, etc and what your profit margin is. If you do it on a model business plan it will be an estimate, if you do it on historical data then you will have some real numbers.

Once you do this, you are no longer an amateur.

If your work is only of amateur quality, maybe you want not do your customers a disservice - work with a pro until you get your work to pro quality standards, then you can charge what he/she charges.

Otherwise, you should do work pro-bono until it meets professional standards.

This does not even begin to address the question of customer relations - the "real" difference between amateurs and pros. But that was not your question.
Your pricing structure should be based on your P&a... (show quote)

Just to confuse the OP even more I think I will add another level of shooter Semi-Pro ! I always thought that a semi-pro sells ann occasional photo, but does not make a living as a photographer. So therefore as soon as you sell your work you would enter that world. I like to think of myself as a semi-pro in that I have sold , as well have been published, but never mede living at photography. Wether or not the shots met polevel work didn't matter to the folks who paid for the photos.

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Jun 28, 2015 10:23:26   #
Bill Houghton Loc: New York area
 
Pro - Semi-Pro - My wife is a semi virgin.

Bottom line - http://digital-photography-school.com/what-makes-a-photographer-a-professional/

I think the OP was given BS answers in the being. And then someone goes into a profit and loss study. I'm surprised, because you go into the need to start a return on invest study and approximate years you intend to be business that you don't have yet. i.e. a six thousand dollar invest, over 6 months = 1 grand a month = 1 photo a month = $1000.00 a photo. Not including parking and gift wrapping.

All kidding a side, I've seen Photo Vendors selling at events such as high school events $15 to $25.00 dollars. At sporting event like Moto Crosses, $45.00 and up. Remember they have to be dead on to sell them or they'll just walk away. Once you build a reputation you will be given better access to the events and then you will find them coming to you, to remind you what there number is so your sure to get there photo. If you do this as a Professional or A Semi Pro or even as a Amature. You have to have good photos to sell or you will be a selling apples on a street corner with the title Professional Apple sales men.



The OP wants to know what the going rate for a photo is Period. I doubt he'll ever be back with the answers given here.

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Jun 28, 2015 10:36:56   #
streetmarty Loc: Brockton, Ma
 
JCam wrote:
Your reply to the poster looks like a is a clumsy attempt to ward off potential competition. You didn't even ask if he was inquiring about "photographic services" or just "prints" before sending him a non-nonsensical answer.

Sale of an occasional print does not make a "professional", neither does your answer!


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Jun 28, 2015 10:45:44   #
Gendarme Loc: Katy, TX
 
rpavich wrote:
Lol...I guess this was lost on everyone else.

The only thing missing is that you haven't been called a rude meany yet...

Let me be the first...YOU RUDE Meany!! :)


The smiley face made it just a meany. No one can be rude with a smiley...right?

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Jun 28, 2015 10:54:02   #
streetmarty Loc: Brockton, Ma
 
Bill Houghton wrote:
Pro - Semi-Pro - My wife is a semi virgin.

Bottom line - http://digital-photography-school.com/what-makes-a-photographer-a-professional/

I think the OP was given BS answers in the being. And then someone goes into a profit and loss study. I'm surprised, because you go into the need to start a return on invest study and approximate years you intend to be business that you don't have yet. i.e. a six thousand dollar invest, over 6 months = 1 grand a month = 1 photo a month = $1000.00 a photo. Not including parking and gift wrapping.

All kidding a side, I've seen Photo Vendors selling at events such as high school events $15 to $25.00 dollars. At sporting event like Moto Crosses, $45.00 and up. Remember they have to be dead on to sell them or they'll just walk away. Once you build a reputation you will be given better access to the events and then you will find them coming to you, to remind you what there number is so your sure to get there photo. If you do this as a Professional or A Semi Pro or even as a Amature. You have to have good photos to sell or you will be a selling apples on a street corner with the title Professional Apple sales men.



The OP wants to know what the going rate for a photo is Period. I doubt he'll ever be back with the answers given here.
Pro - Semi-Pro - My wife is a semi virgin. br ... (show quote)


Outstanding!! :thumbup: :thumbup:

Every time an amateur asks a question that involves money you get a lot of smart a$$ answers form wedding "Pros" etc. that get their panties in a wad. I have been at this for over 40 years and very rarely have I accepted money, but I have. So I guess that makes me a "pro" so I guess I can't take pictures for the Olympic Committee!! Ridiculous. How about honest, solid helpful answers to questions? I always look through the post to find guys like rpavich and Gene51 to name a couple. These guys are the greatest. Thanks guys.

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Jun 28, 2015 11:01:45   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
boberic wrote:
Just to confuse the OP even more I think I will add another level of shooter Semi-Pro ! I always thought that a semi-pro sells ann occasional photo, but does not make a living as a photographer. So therefore as soon as you sell your work you would enter that world. I like to think of myself as a semi-pro in that I have sold , as well have been published, but never mede living at photography. Wether or not the shots met polevel work didn't matter to the folks who paid for the photos.


I have a friend who would fit the semi-pro category. He went from a hobby to shooting an occasional wedding, and now he shoots weddings on some weekends and has another job during the week. His work is on a professional level, and he charges accordingly.

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Jun 28, 2015 11:10:45   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Bill Houghton wrote:
Pro - Semi-Pro - My wife is a semi virgin.

Bottom line - http://digital-photography-school.com/what-makes-a-photographer-a-professional/

I think the OP was given BS answers in the being. And then someone goes into a profit and loss study. I'm surprised, because you go into the need to start a return on invest study and approximate years you intend to be business that you don't have yet. i.e. a six thousand dollar invest, over 6 months = 1 grand a month = 1 photo a month = $1000.00 a photo. Not including parking and gift wrapping.

All kidding a side, I've seen Photo Vendors selling at events such as high school events $15 to $25.00 dollars. At sporting event like Moto Crosses, $45.00 and up. Remember they have to be dead on to sell them or they'll just walk away. Once you build a reputation you will be given better access to the events and then you will find them coming to you, to remind you what there number is so your sure to get there photo. If you do this as a Professional or A Semi Pro or even as a Amature. You have to have good photos to sell or you will be a selling apples on a street corner with the title Professional Apple sales men.



The OP wants to know what the going rate for a photo is Period. I doubt he'll ever be back with the answers given here.
Pro - Semi-Pro - My wife is a semi virgin. br ... (show quote)


Drivel A pro is someone who makes the bulk of his living doing what he does. Does a pro athlete, play for 2 teams, or another job on the side.]In the middle of the season?

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Jun 28, 2015 11:16:12   #
streetmarty Loc: Brockton, Ma
 
boberic wrote:
Drivel A pro is someone who makes the bulk of his living doing what he does. Does a pro athlete, play for 2 teams, or another job on the side.]In the middle of the season?


You must be very young. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Jackson

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Jun 28, 2015 11:34:53   #
jethro779 Loc: Tucson, AZ
 
streetmarty wrote:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Jackson[/quote]

It works better when you remove the s.

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Jun 28, 2015 11:35:19   #
OddJobber Loc: Portland, OR
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Jackson

Bo knows!

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Jun 28, 2015 11:53:39   #
streetmarty Loc: Brockton, Ma
 
jethro779 wrote:
It works better when you remove the s.


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Jun 28, 2015 11:57:55   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
streetmarty wrote:

I am not that young- I said during the season. He played baseball AFTER the football season.

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