Pepper
Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
If evolution is what you say it is and if that is indeed how we all came to be then I have a couple questions that have always made me curious. Why is it that many non-believers, atheists, evolutionists and agnostics can find great pleasure in going fishing and hunting, if we can have a season to hunt pheasants, deer and so on why not a season on bad guys? Why are we jailed for killing our neighbor but not for killing his cat? If evolution is the truth then why is it wrong to kill a man but not wrong to kill a deer? If evolution is the truth then what is it the sets mankind apart from what we typically refer to as the animal world?
I don't think you are going to get any answers, but I'm going to watch and see...with interest.
and if you kill my cat - I kill you! LOL
If evolution is true, why are there still Liberals? lol ;) OH sorry Pepper, this was directed to your evolutionist friends. :)
Pepper wrote:
If evolution is what you say it is and if that is indeed how we all came to be then I have a couple questions that have always made me curious. Why is it that many non-believers, atheists, evolutionists and agnostics can find great pleasure in going fishing and hunting, if we can have a season to hunt pheasants, deer and so on why not a season on bad guys? Why are we jailed for killing our neighbor but not for killing his cat? If evolution is the truth then why is it wrong to kill a man but not wrong to kill a deer? If evolution is the truth then what is it the sets mankind apart from what we typically refer to as the animal world?
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Aside from all your "why is & why are" stuff.
Evolution is simply one of God's tools.
A chimp uses a rock to crack a nut. That is the chimp's tool. A human uses a nut cracker, or a machine in an industrial nut processing plant owned by Planters. Those are our tools. The chimp might be able to learn to use the nut cracker, but couldn't build it in the first place. Couldn't even understand the industrial set up.
So, in God's tool box, you find "evolution". Just like in your tool box we might find a set of wrenches. We can study evolution and sort of imitate it through selective breeding and now gene splicing. But it is God's tool that we cannot duplicate.
Pepper
Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
robertjerl wrote:
Aside from all your "why is & why are" stuff.
Evolution is simply one of God's tools.
A chimp uses a rock to crack a nut. That is the chimp's tool. A human uses a nut cracker, or a machine in an industrial nut processing plant owned by Planters. Those are our tools. The chimp might be able to learn to use the nut cracker, but couldn't build it in the first place. Couldn't even understand the industrial set up.
So, in God's tool box, you find "evolution". Just like in your tool box we might find a set of wrenches. We can study evolution and sort of imitate it through selective breeding and now gene splicing. But it is God's tool that we cannot duplicate.
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You seem to be suggesting that God created and from that point His creation is "adapting" to it's environment and and changing needs.
Pepper wrote:
If evolution is what you say it is and if that is indeed how we all came to be then I have a couple questions that have always made me curious. Why is it that many non-believers, atheists, evolutionists and agnostics can find great pleasure in going fishing and hunting, if we can have a season to hunt pheasants, deer and so on why not a season on bad guys? Why are we jailed for killing our neighbor but not for killing his cat? If evolution is the truth then why is it wrong to kill a man but not wrong to kill a deer? If evolution is the truth then what is it the sets mankind apart from what we typically refer to as the animal world?
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I am neither evolutionist nor creationist but your question does not make any sense unless you are saying that
if we have evolved from animals which would make us humans directly related to animals such as cats and deer or fish then with a broad stretch of the imagination, I can see your point. However, remember this, animals eat other animals. So, if you kill my cat, make sure you eat it.
robertjerl wrote:
Aside from all your "why is & why are" stuff.
Evolution is simply one of God's tools.
A chimp uses a rock to crack a nut. That is the chimp's tool. A human uses a nut cracker, or a machine in an industrial nut processing plant owned by Planters. Those are our tools. The chimp might be able to learn to use the nut cracker, but couldn't build it in the first place. Couldn't even understand the industrial set up.
So, in God's tool box, you find "evolution". Just like in your tool box we might find a set of wrenches. We can study evolution and sort of imitate it through selective breeding and now gene splicing. But it is God's tool that we cannot duplicate.
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What is your definition of evolution. The chimp is adapting to his environment so that would be adaptation.
Without the liberals, the world would be a boring place.
God put them here for some reason, just like he put conservatives here for some reason. Part of the great mystery of creation.
Pepper, I don't really understand the linkage in your question. What does evolution have to do with an innate sense of morality that much of mankind seems to be born with.
Perhaps moral development evolved as part of humanity.
But, is morality limited to humans? Some animal species exhibit a certain sense of morality.
Pepper
Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
Bangee5 wrote:
I am neither evolutionist nor creationist but your question does not make any sense unless you are saying that if we have evolved from animals which would make us humans directly related to animals such as cats and deer or fish then with a broad stretch of the imagination, I can see your point. However, remember this, animals eat other animals. So, if you kill my cat, make sure you eat it.
What? you're not a creationist?
Pepper
Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
mwalsh wrote:
Without the liberals, the world would be a boring place.
God put them here for some reason, just like he put conservatives here for some reason. Part of the great mystery of creation.
Pepper, I don't really understand the linkage in your question. What does evolution have to do with an innate sense of morality that much of mankind seems to be born with.
Perhaps moral development evolved as part of humanity.
But, is morality limited to humans? Some animal species exhibit a certain sense of morality.
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If all life sprang from a single source how did the human become more important than other life forms? What happened to give humans the right to kill and eat other life forms? If we all came from the same source what changed to set humans apart from other life forms from a moral perspective? What happened that made it okay for other life forms to kill each other but humans can not?
Pepper wrote:
You seem to be suggesting that God created and from that point His creation is "adapting" to it's environment and and changing needs.
No, I said evolution is one of God's tools. It happens to be one that "adapts" living things to the environment. Usually to the point that if the environment changes enough then the adapted life forms either have to adapt much more and faster or die off.
Pepper
Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
Well this is interesting. I'm constantly being told by evolutionists that I'm full of shit and dumb as hell for believing in creation so I try to get some help in understanding evolution and where are these smart folks with all the answers? I'm truly trying to understand how a rational human being can buy into the evolution theory but I'm not getting much help here.
Pepper
Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
robertjerl wrote:
No, I said evolution is one of God's tools. It happens to be one that "adapts" living things to the environment. Usually to the point that if the environment changes enough then the adapted life forms either have to adapt much more and faster or die off.
But you're talking about adaptation not evolution. Do you believe that all life form came from a single source? That's what I mean by evolution.
Bangee5 wrote:
What is your definition of evolution. The chimp is adapting to his environment so that would be adaptation.
I wasn't defining evolution, I was pointing out the fact it is one of God's tools. One so far above us we can't duplicate it. Like the chimp can't duplicat the Planters nut processing plant.
You want a definition: (very simple minded one)
Evolution is a process whereby living things change/mutate and depending on if the change is an advantage or not it either increases their survival potential or lessens it. Thus over the long run changing species into something else. Many changes are neither helpful or harmful, they just result in something that is different. Every so often something kills off most life (asteroid, super volcano etc.) and create a lot of niches that are empty and allow a whole new set of life forms to evolve to fill them.
But, it is God's tool, we don't really understand it, but we try. And we can't really duplicate it, but we try.
But all life did spring from a single source: God.
I have no problem with the theory of evolution. Perhaps God continues to create in an ongoing process, and evolution is one of God's tools.
Maybe humans are not "more" important than other life forms, except in our own minds. The lion or shark that just ate a human might feel otherwise.
I don't know that we have the right to kill other life forms, but all life forms must kill others in order to live. Biblical literalists will say God gave us that right. Perhaps its not a right, but an ability.
Most species don't kill their own kind. Of course, some humans do kill humans, some do it for food.
Guess I still don't get the question...
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