Adam n Eve Paintings: Variations on a Theme
May 7, 2015 12:44:13 #
RC,
Brilliant! I hope to see your contributions more often. Welcome.
Artz
Brilliant! I hope to see your contributions more often. Welcome.
Artz
RichieC wrote:
According to the bible, god too has a navel. As he... (show quote)
May 7, 2015 13:56:19 #
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
I can accept that. Can you accept that it also requires faith?
Not really. Faith requires a focal point, a direction and magnitude. Atheism has no focal point and no direction. I suppose it could have magnitude.
May 7, 2015 14:11:41 #
Hondo,
Consider the self as the focal point. Blame and responsibility are on the self. The focus is internal, not external.
When I was laying on the hospital bed for the 4th week and I was asked if it was okay for the 'preacher' to come see me, they knew I was an Atheist. I said sure. I had plenty of guests, I was not lacking company.
I found his comment interesting. "Believers are always blaming God for their misfortune. It was refreshing to talk to you."
The motorcycle accident was not entirely my fault. She went through a red light, but I am the one that decided to participate in risky behavior -riding a motorcycle.
Consider the self as the focal point. Blame and responsibility are on the self. The focus is internal, not external.
When I was laying on the hospital bed for the 4th week and I was asked if it was okay for the 'preacher' to come see me, they knew I was an Atheist. I said sure. I had plenty of guests, I was not lacking company.
I found his comment interesting. "Believers are always blaming God for their misfortune. It was refreshing to talk to you."
The motorcycle accident was not entirely my fault. She went through a red light, but I am the one that decided to participate in risky behavior -riding a motorcycle.
hondo812 wrote:
Not really. Faith requires a focal point, a direction and magnitude. Atheism has no focal point and no direction. I suppose it could have magnitude.
May 7, 2015 14:39:57 #
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ArtzDarkroom wrote:
I can accept that. Can you accept that it also requires faith?
I can accept that. Can you accept that it also requires faith?
hondo812 wrote:
Not really. Faith requires a focal point, a direction and magnitude. Atheism has no focal point and no direction. I suppose it could have magnitude.
Just wondering if a focal point for believers, such as you seem to be, is that two weirdos in a beautiful garden were responsible 3,000 years or so ago, for the bad (sins) you carry today and for the rest of your life? Now, that is a far reaching focal point, wouldn't you say?
Focusing on any belief is a focal point, including those who focus on atheism. I am sure that they have given it much thought (focus)?
May 7, 2015 14:50:34 #
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James Shaw wrote:
Just wondering if a focal point for believers, such as you seem to be, is that two weirdos in a beautiful garden were responsible 3,000 years or so ago, for the bad (sins) you carry today and for the rest of your life? Now, that is a far reaching focal point, wouldn't you say?
Focusing on any belief is a focal point, including those who focus on atheism. I am sure that they have given it much thought (focus)?
Focusing on any belief is a focal point, including those who focus on atheism. I am sure that they have given it much thought (focus)?
I know... one stupid apple :roll:
May 7, 2015 15:23:07 #
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
Hondo, br br Consider the self as the focal point... (show quote)
Even more in common. I also had a bit of a mishap on the motorcycle that landed me in the hospital for 5-6 weeks. The difference is though, riding my motorcycle and seeing the world in a new way convinced me there is a greater power.
May 7, 2015 15:35:24 #
James Shaw wrote:
Just wondering if a focal point for believers, such as you seem to be, is that two weirdos in a beautiful garden were responsible 3,000 years or so ago, for the bad (sins) you carry today and for the rest of your life? Now, that is a far reaching focal point, wouldn't you say?
Focusing on any belief is a focal point, including those who focus on atheism. I am sure that they have given it much thought (focus)?
Focusing on any belief is a focal point, including those who focus on atheism. I am sure that they have given it much thought (focus)?
Look I am not a theologian, not even close. But the concept of Original sin is told in a rather unusual way. Is it a metaphor? See my first sentence.
I do believe that we all have sin within us. Have you ever told a lie, took something that wasn't yours, smiled at someone else's misfortune? If you answered yes to any of those then you have sinned haven't you? Don't get me wrong, there are much worse ones to be had, but at the end of the day, we, each of us makes a choice in these situations. It's one of the thins that separates us from the animals, that we deny some part of our nature (evolution/competition) and show kindness, tell the truth, respect others belongings.
So the story of Eve and the apple? I look at it as a way to tell people that we all have sin within us but it's not our fault that we have it. It's our fault if we give in to it.
BTW...you are a little too fixated on the biblical notion of time, but thats a different subject.
May 7, 2015 19:56:05 #
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James Shaw wrote:
Just wondering if a focal point for believers, such as you seem to be, is that two weirdos in a beautiful garden were responsible 3,000 years or so ago, for the bad (sins) you carry today and for the rest of your life? Now, that is a far reaching focal point, wouldn't you say?
Focusing on any belief is a focal point, including those who focus on atheism. I am sure that they have given it much thought (focus)?
Just wondering if a focal point for believers, such as you seem to be, is that two weirdos in a beautiful garden were responsible 3,000 years or so ago, for the bad (sins) you carry today and for the rest of your life? Now, that is a far reaching focal point, wouldn't you say?
Focusing on any belief is a focal point, including those who focus on atheism. I am sure that they have given it much thought (focus)?
hondo812 wrote:
Look I am not a theologian, not even close. But th... (show quote)
I see good and bad (you call sin) as inherent human traits that have been with us long before we conceived of a deity. We are just human, and those traits and evolution got us to this point. I cannot blame my bad on fictitious characters like Adam and Eve.
May 7, 2015 20:50:40 #
James,
I was sent off and got a whole bunch of Roman Catholic training in my youth and I think he may be referring to something Jews and Catholics both like to instill in their youth, guilt. Guilt, guilt, guilt... there is plenty of it in the church and synagogue for the believers.
It is a tough thing to let go of as a child. Yes, I still believe there is good and bad, but I do not us label it as sin anymore.
I was sent off and got a whole bunch of Roman Catholic training in my youth and I think he may be referring to something Jews and Catholics both like to instill in their youth, guilt. Guilt, guilt, guilt... there is plenty of it in the church and synagogue for the believers.
It is a tough thing to let go of as a child. Yes, I still believe there is good and bad, but I do not us label it as sin anymore.
James Shaw wrote:
I see good and bad (you call sin) as inherent human traits that have been with us long before we conceived of a deity. We are just human, and those traits and evolution got us to this point. I cannot blame my bad on fictitious characters like Adam and Eve.
May 7, 2015 22:25:51 #
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
James,
I was sent off and got a whole bunch of Roman Catholic training in my youth and I think he may be referring to something Jews and Catholics both like to instill in their youth, guilt. Guilt, guilt, guilt... there is plenty of it in the church and synagogue for the believers.
It is a tough thing to let go of as a child. Yes, I still believe there is good and bad, but I do not us label it as sin anymore.
I was sent off and got a whole bunch of Roman Catholic training in my youth and I think he may be referring to something Jews and Catholics both like to instill in their youth, guilt. Guilt, guilt, guilt... there is plenty of it in the church and synagogue for the believers.
It is a tough thing to let go of as a child. Yes, I still believe there is good and bad, but I do not us label it as sin anymore.
Yes! It is very hard to escape when you are told you are committing the unpardonable sin!
May 7, 2015 23:42:50 #
Pepper
Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
Jade Warrior wrote:
Yes! It is very hard to escape when you are told you are committing the unpardonable sin!
??? Do you even understand what the "unpardonable sin" is? I haven't seen it mentioned by anyone nor has it even been alluded to. Maybe you're just trying to throw a bit of fuel on the fire?
May 8, 2015 01:11:16 #
Pepper,
Could Jade be referring to "unpardonable sin" as words told to him be somebody that is NOT well versed in theology? Like an angry parent, teacher or?
Could Jade be referring to "unpardonable sin" as words told to him be somebody that is NOT well versed in theology? Like an angry parent, teacher or?
May 8, 2015 10:08:19 #
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
Pepper,
Could Jade be referring to "unpardonable sin" as words told to him be somebody that is NOT well versed in theology? Like an angry parent, teacher or?
Could Jade be referring to "unpardonable sin" as words told to him be somebody that is NOT well versed in theology? Like an angry parent, teacher or?
As a non practicing Catholic I do recall the term Cardinal sin or mortal sin. You don't want any of those. You'd need an act of contrition to "balance" it out.
The gist of it is....don't f___ up!
This all runs counter to the popular secular advice of "It's Better to Beg for Forgiveness than to Ask for Permission."
May 8, 2015 11:07:21 #
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
James,
I was sent off and got a whole bunch of Roman Catholic training in my youth and I think he may be referring to something Jews and Catholics both like to instill in their youth, guilt. Guilt, guilt, guilt... there is plenty of it in the church and synagogue for the believers.
It is a tough thing to let go of as a child. Yes, I still believe there is good and bad, but I do not us label it as sin anymore.
I was sent off and got a whole bunch of Roman Catholic training in my youth and I think he may be referring to something Jews and Catholics both like to instill in their youth, guilt. Guilt, guilt, guilt... there is plenty of it in the church and synagogue for the believers.
It is a tough thing to let go of as a child. Yes, I still believe there is good and bad, but I do not us label it as sin anymore.
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Yes, being human and making mistakes is not sin.
May 8, 2015 11:10:42 #
Jade Warrior wrote:
Yes! It is very hard to escape when you are told you are committing the unpardonable sin!
Yes, there is good and very good, bad and very bad. If someone tells you something is an unpardonable sin, they are merely trying to put you down, control you into their way of belief. Power hungry holier-than-thou hypocrites.
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