Question about WB
Mar 28, 2015 02:52:49 #
texasdan78070
Loc: Texas Hill Country
I collect die cast cars and when I shoot them, it's usually inside with no lights on. How should I set my WB? Thanks.
Mar 28, 2015 03:21:03 #
Pepper
Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
texasdan78070 wrote:
I collect die cast cars and when I shoot them, it's usually inside with no lights on. How should I set my WB? Thanks.
No lights? Do you mean you're just using ambient light from a window? I'd start with auto then maybe try one on the shade (8000K) setting and then one on the sunny setting (5200K). If you're not getting what you want go in to your menu and set the kelvin scale (color temp) to something in between. With out more information this is the best I can do.
Mar 28, 2015 03:45:57 #
texasdan78070
Loc: Texas Hill Country
Thanks. That's about all I know. I don't pay any attention to my settings cause I get caught where it won't take the picture cause my ISO or something else, so I switch to auto. They all turn out to my satisfaction. Thanks for the input.
Mar 28, 2015 06:04:38 #
Learn how to do a custom white balance.
It's really pretty easy and fast to do.
Also better than any of the other settings, which are just guesses. Not sure what camera you have so I can't tell you how, but it usually involves shooting a known target of a neutral color, usually white. (grey can be notoriously inaccurate) like one of these: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004G3M36Q/ref=mp_s_a_1_9?qid=1427537714&sr=8-9&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70&keywords=White+balance
If you're shooting raw, you can adjust the white balance after the fact.
You wil need to have some sort of standard target in one shot to judge against, otherwise you're back to guessing again.
If color is critical, check out the XRite Color Checker Passport
http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=colorchecker+passport&tag=hydusmmsn-20&index=aps&hvadid=1683934146&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=m&ref=pd_sl_73txhugpmo_e
It's really pretty easy and fast to do.
Also better than any of the other settings, which are just guesses. Not sure what camera you have so I can't tell you how, but it usually involves shooting a known target of a neutral color, usually white. (grey can be notoriously inaccurate) like one of these: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004G3M36Q/ref=mp_s_a_1_9?qid=1427537714&sr=8-9&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70&keywords=White+balance
If you're shooting raw, you can adjust the white balance after the fact.
You wil need to have some sort of standard target in one shot to judge against, otherwise you're back to guessing again.
If color is critical, check out the XRite Color Checker Passport
http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=colorchecker+passport&tag=hydusmmsn-20&index=aps&hvadid=1683934146&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=m&ref=pd_sl_73txhugpmo_e
Mar 28, 2015 07:55:34 #
Great answer!
Clear and concise, +1 from me :-)
GT
Clear and concise, +1 from me :-)
GT
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Learn how to do a custom white balance. br It's re... (show quote)
Mar 28, 2015 11:19:09 #
Mar 29, 2015 05:59:36 #
FYI:
If you are wanting a gray caŕd, try looking at a paint store.
They may be on the small side, but paint chip color samples are free.
If you are wanting a gray caŕd, try looking at a paint store.
They may be on the small side, but paint chip color samples are free.
Mar 29, 2015 06:20:31 #
From my note book:
White balance Where, with film you either shot print film in daylight or with flash indoors, and with slide film, you used daylight or tungsten film, or used compensating filters with these. White balance is Digitals version-you select a white balance based on the condition of the light you are using, so the
cameras meter allows for white to photograph as white Auto white balance does a reasonable job most of the time, but it cannot cope in some situations-especially when subject is in deep shadow. You need to know when to use the white balance settings for all situations, and this table will help you understand: ( degrees Kelvin is a means of determining colour temperature)
Sunrise/sunset 2400-3000 Kelvin Use Auto white balance Tungsten lighting 3200-3500 Kelvin Note ( these settings are for studio white balance for tungsten-Use tungsten/Incandescent white balance) For Domestic tungsten lighting-2500 - 3200-you will generally get better results using auto white balance Fluorescent lighting 4000 Kelvin Use fluorescent White balance Early morning/afternoon sun 4000 Kelvin .Use auto white balance/ --fluorescent white balance (Magenta filter) to counter greenish cast on skin from foliage if under trees or on really green grass Noon sun/Sun overhead 5000-6500 Kelvin .use Cloudy White balance Flash photography in daylight 5500 Kelvin Use Flash White balance Deep shade .6500 Kelvin Use cloudy/shade white balance Shade in daylight 7500 Kelvin ......Use shade white balance Heavy overcast, very dark shade 8000 to 10000 Kelvin Use shade white balance plus 81a/85c glass filter
To set custom White balance: (Nikon)
Select a neutral coloured object to set your white balance Its best to avoid using a white target. The camera prefers grey.( Print yourself a grey card: In photoshop- File> New Click on background square in toolbox select: red 127; green 127; blue 127 from color chart- Print)
In white balance menu select "Custom"> "Preset" select "measure" Press shutter release halfway to return to shooting mode press wb button until a blinking "Pre" appears in control panel and viewfinder frame reference (grey card) so it fills the frame and press shutter release all the way down (Camera won't take picture) If camera was able to register a value for white balance "Good" will flash in control panel and GD will flash in viewfinder If lighting is too dark or bright "no g d" will flash in viewfinder and control panel
If you use white in direct sunlight you'll always get a "No Gd" response from the camera because the Matrix meter is rendering it white instead of grey. Thus the trick is to select the centre-weighted meter when using a white reference in bright light and you'll get "Good" from a camera. Remember to set back to Matrix metering as soon as you're done.
White balance Where, with film you either shot print film in daylight or with flash indoors, and with slide film, you used daylight or tungsten film, or used compensating filters with these. White balance is Digitals version-you select a white balance based on the condition of the light you are using, so the
cameras meter allows for white to photograph as white Auto white balance does a reasonable job most of the time, but it cannot cope in some situations-especially when subject is in deep shadow. You need to know when to use the white balance settings for all situations, and this table will help you understand: ( degrees Kelvin is a means of determining colour temperature)
Sunrise/sunset 2400-3000 Kelvin Use Auto white balance Tungsten lighting 3200-3500 Kelvin Note ( these settings are for studio white balance for tungsten-Use tungsten/Incandescent white balance) For Domestic tungsten lighting-2500 - 3200-you will generally get better results using auto white balance Fluorescent lighting 4000 Kelvin Use fluorescent White balance Early morning/afternoon sun 4000 Kelvin .Use auto white balance/ --fluorescent white balance (Magenta filter) to counter greenish cast on skin from foliage if under trees or on really green grass Noon sun/Sun overhead 5000-6500 Kelvin .use Cloudy White balance Flash photography in daylight 5500 Kelvin Use Flash White balance Deep shade .6500 Kelvin Use cloudy/shade white balance Shade in daylight 7500 Kelvin ......Use shade white balance Heavy overcast, very dark shade 8000 to 10000 Kelvin Use shade white balance plus 81a/85c glass filter
To set custom White balance: (Nikon)
Select a neutral coloured object to set your white balance Its best to avoid using a white target. The camera prefers grey.( Print yourself a grey card: In photoshop- File> New Click on background square in toolbox select: red 127; green 127; blue 127 from color chart- Print)
In white balance menu select "Custom"> "Preset" select "measure" Press shutter release halfway to return to shooting mode press wb button until a blinking "Pre" appears in control panel and viewfinder frame reference (grey card) so it fills the frame and press shutter release all the way down (Camera won't take picture) If camera was able to register a value for white balance "Good" will flash in control panel and GD will flash in viewfinder If lighting is too dark or bright "no g d" will flash in viewfinder and control panel
If you use white in direct sunlight you'll always get a "No Gd" response from the camera because the Matrix meter is rendering it white instead of grey. Thus the trick is to select the centre-weighted meter when using a white reference in bright light and you'll get "Good" from a camera. Remember to set back to Matrix metering as soon as you're done.
Mar 29, 2015 06:23:24 #
GENorkus wrote:
FYI:
If you are wanting a gray caŕd, try looking at a paint store.
They may be on the small side, but paint chip color samples are free.
If you are wanting a gray caŕd, try looking at a paint store.
They may be on the small side, but paint chip color samples are free.
Must be 13% though, if you are going to quote 18%, Kodak informed everyone 30 years ago the all exposure meters are calibrated at 12.9%
Mar 29, 2015 06:57:01 #
It doesn't matter what percent of grey it is as long as it doesn't have a color cast.
The percentage is only relevant for exposure.
GT
The percentage is only relevant for exposure.
GT
nekon wrote:
Must be 13% though, if you are going to quote 18%, Kodak informed everyone 30 years ago the all exposure meters are calibrated at 12.9%
Mar 29, 2015 07:03:30 #
Mar 29, 2015 07:04:29 #
A grey card is 13% grey, so why use anything but the right tone of grey?
Mar 29, 2015 07:09:09 #
nekon wrote:
A grey card is 13% grey, so why use anything but the right tone of grey?
Because if the light is low a 90% grey will be more accurate.
Mar 29, 2015 07:09:47 #
Because a coffee filter makes for a great WB card.
Most of us have them readily available :-)
GT
Most of us have them readily available :-)
GT
nekon wrote:
A grey card is 13% grey, so why use anything but the right tone of grey?
Mar 29, 2015 07:38:07 #
GENorkus wrote:
FYI:
If you are wanting a gray caŕd, try looking at a paint store.
They may be on the small side, but paint chip color samples are free.
If you are wanting a gray caŕd, try looking at a paint store.
They may be on the small side, but paint chip color samples are free.
I wouldn't trust samples from a paint store to be a true neutral gray. There are many shades of gray paint, some warmer or colder than neutral.
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