Which Mirrorless Cameras Allow Exposure Metering While Setting ISO?
Jan 2, 2015 12:50:49 #
aflundi
Loc: Albuquerque, NM
Are there any mirrorless cameras that provide exposure metering information while ISO is being set? Every mirrorless I have (P&S or ILC) will not meter during ISO adjustment, so if I want to set ISO last after aperture and shutter speed (which is what I usually prefer to do), I have to adjust blind, as sort of a sad throwback to film days.
Fortunately, my dSLRs don't have that problem, but I'll bet it's more because dSLR viewfinders are intrinsically so primitive compared to EVFs more than any forward-thinking on the part of the manufacturers. Whatever the reason, I'll take it in the dSLRs, but wish I could find a mirrorless that did it.
Fortunately, my dSLRs don't have that problem, but I'll bet it's more because dSLR viewfinders are intrinsically so primitive compared to EVFs more than any forward-thinking on the part of the manufacturers. Whatever the reason, I'll take it in the dSLRs, but wish I could find a mirrorless that did it.
Jan 2, 2015 12:58:10 #
aflundi wrote:
Are there any mirrorless cameras that provide expo... (show quote)
I "believe" the Fujifilm X-T1 can do this. It has a dedicated ISO dial.
Jan 2, 2015 13:02:00 #
aflundi wrote:
.....I want to set ISO last after aperture and shutter speed (which is what I usually prefer to do), I have to adjust blind, as sort of a sad throwback to film days....
For me, ISO determines the quality of the shot so i set it first.
Why do you like to do it the other way around?
Jan 2, 2015 13:03:02 #
Jan 2, 2015 13:31:48 #
aflundi
Loc: Albuquerque, NM
oldtigger wrote:
For me, ISO determines the quality of the shot so i set it first.
Why do you like to do it the other way around?
Why do you like to do it the other way around?
Mostly because I see what most people do (and I used to do before I figured it out) -- setting ISO first -- as a backwards holdover from film days when than was the only way you could do it.
If I want a shutter speed for some effect and also want an aperture for some effect -- which is typical for me (and like it or not, for most everyone else), the only way I can set the exposure is via ISO. It's sort of silly to go through the typical trial-and-error or having to do the math in your head, when you could just meter it directly and quickly.
Even if you don't get it yet and want to continue doing it the old way, then fine, but at least a few of us shoot this way, so I'd like to find any mirrorless cameras that allow it.
Jan 2, 2015 13:32:56 #
aflundi
Loc: Albuquerque, NM
Wallbanger wrote:
I "believe" the Fujifilm X-T1 can do this. It has a dedicated ISO dial.
Yeah, that's a good candidate to check. Thanks.
Any others?
Jan 2, 2015 13:34:20 #
aflundi wrote:
Are there any mirrorless cameras that provide expo... (show quote)
The Fuji X-T1 has probably, (some Olympus owners might argue the toss !), the best EVF currently available, and yes, you change aperture on the lens, shutter speed on a top dial, and ISO via a further top dial, all visible in the LARGE viewfinder as you change settings.
http://www.fujifilm.eu/uk/products/digital-cameras/interchangeable-lens-cameras/model/x-t1/features/the-real-time-viewfinder-revolution/
You can change settings in any order you wish ...... the beauty of this EVF is that you can SEE the changes happen as you make them, something which I was able to do with this photo ..... ISO changed last of all to help achieve the required effect.
Jan 2, 2015 13:35:01 #
aflundi wrote:
Are there any mirrorless cameras that provide expo... (show quote)
I have the Oly OM-D E-M1.
I can set it so that the front wheel changes the ISO, up or down. The metering disappears when I move the wheel, but barely touching the shutter-button will bring the metering screen and histogram back.
When I tried it just now, I had the camera at Aperture priority, so with changing the ISO, the exposure time also changed, visible in the information through the view finder.
Haven't tried it on full manual.
Jan 2, 2015 13:38:20 #
aflundi wrote:
Are there any mirrorless cameras that provide expo... (show quote)
I just tried this on my new Sony A7r before replying to your post, and it works on that one.
It is only a matter of how you want to see the info, if you want to see the histogram, that will disappear when you dial the ISO, but a light push on the shutter will show the histogram again. Everything else is visible all the time while you dial the ISO plus you see actually how bright or dark your image will be with different settings.
Jan 2, 2015 13:57:00 #
aflundi
Loc: Albuquerque, NM
JPL wrote:
I just tried this on my new Sony A7r before replying to your post, and it works on that one.
It does? It shows the meter in the viewfinder as you adjust ISO? I had spent a fair amount of time looking at the a7 and a7s manual trying to see if they did, but couldn't get enough information.
Do the a7's have an ISO button? From the manual, it looks like you have to dive into a menu or program a function button. Is that right?
Jan 2, 2015 13:58:54 #
In my case I just turn the wheel on the back of the camera to set the ISO, no need to go to menus. But maybe this wheel can be set for other functions as well
Jan 2, 2015 14:19:50 #
What I see in the viewfinder on my A7r while setting the ISO regarding exposure metering is the following:
Shutter speed
F number (when using lenses that provide that info)
Over/under exposure to -5/+5 in steps of 1/3rd
ISO number.
If I set the ISO in aperture mode for example, the shutter speed goes up or down as I change the ISO so the meter is obviously at work when I am changing the ISO. When in manual mode the over/underexposure meter moves according to ISO changes so there everything works as expected also.
On top of this I can also set the camera by pressing one button to show me histogram in the viewfinder, but that histogram disappears when adjusting ISO.
Hope this helps, I am verifying this info as I am writing here.
Shutter speed
F number (when using lenses that provide that info)
Over/under exposure to -5/+5 in steps of 1/3rd
ISO number.
If I set the ISO in aperture mode for example, the shutter speed goes up or down as I change the ISO so the meter is obviously at work when I am changing the ISO. When in manual mode the over/underexposure meter moves according to ISO changes so there everything works as expected also.
On top of this I can also set the camera by pressing one button to show me histogram in the viewfinder, but that histogram disappears when adjusting ISO.
Hope this helps, I am verifying this info as I am writing here.
Jan 2, 2015 14:25:05 #
The a7's have the ISO on the wheel as a default but you can dedicate the wheel for other functions if needed. You can set the aperture and shutter speed to your liking and let the camera figure out the ISO that is needed for the exposure you are after.This is popular especially with the a7s because of the clean images even with very high ISO.
aflundi wrote:
It does? It shows the meter in the viewfinder as you adjust ISO? I had spent a fair amount of time looking at the a7 and a7s manual trying to see if they did, but couldn't get enough information.
Do the a7's have an ISO button? From the manual, it looks like you have to dive into a menu or program a function button. Is that right?
Do the a7's have an ISO button? From the manual, it looks like you have to dive into a menu or program a function button. Is that right?
Jan 2, 2015 14:32:31 #
Me again.
I just set the camera (E-M1) to "M", I can change Exposure time, f/stop, ISO and white balance, all with moving one little handle and rotating two wheels (not at the same time), all without taking my eye away from the viewfinder.
As I move the wheels, I can see the image get darker or lighter.
Of course the camera does not do any metering, as I am the one to determine at what numbers I want to set the various dials, and if I change one, the camera does not automatically change another one as it would with Aperture or Shutter priority.
I just set the camera (E-M1) to "M", I can change Exposure time, f/stop, ISO and white balance, all with moving one little handle and rotating two wheels (not at the same time), all without taking my eye away from the viewfinder.
As I move the wheels, I can see the image get darker or lighter.
Of course the camera does not do any metering, as I am the one to determine at what numbers I want to set the various dials, and if I change one, the camera does not automatically change another one as it would with Aperture or Shutter priority.
Jan 2, 2015 14:33:54 #
The Sony A7r is really very easy to use in regards to manually set the ISO as well as aperture, shutter speed and over/underexposure as it has separate dials on the camera body for all those settings.
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