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Nov 21, 2014 14:04:14   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
chrisscholbe wrote:
I, for one, would be interested in hearing what a "scaled back" EPA means.

When is our air and water clean enough?

When can we rely on businesses to comply with the "minimum rules" and not try taking advantage?
If a businness does start dumping massive amount of junk into our waterways.....what do we do about it.....now that damage is already done?

I have a lot more questions than answers.


There are standards that serve us very well, as a child in Miami I remember a polluted Biscyane Bay, polluted lakes and canals... Now when you go down to South Florida the air and the water is beautiful. We have standards and we have laws, when businesses violate those standards or laws what you do is you prosecute the shit out of them.... But that does not come close to what is happening right now, right now we have a bunch of government wonks who think that it is their job to restrict and regulate everything, hell you guys want to regulate the dust in rural farming communities, I have already eluded to the mud puddle controversies that have occurred in different locations throughout the country, you want to tax rain run off in some areas and you will stop major and important projects for minnows and mice that may or may not be impacted.... Shit, you guys want to spend some $30 million plus to move some comorants off of a bridge that is being brought down in CA.... Take the damn bridge down the birds will leave believe me, you don't have to worry about moving them they will realize that the new bridge that has already been built is a much better home than the one that is coming down.

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Nov 21, 2014 14:09:30   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
thom w wrote:
You totally sidestepped me quoting Big Bear saying what you have been saying that nobody on the right believes. Not accusing you of believing these things just accusing you of wearing blinders concerning the company you keep.


I have not been following Big Bear's posts... I guess I misunderstood the gist of your post... If you were to have a quiet conversation with Big Bear I am sure that his true feelings are not far different than mine, he is probably a little frustrated with the current administration and just a bit vitriolic in some of his web posts, I see a lot of that one both sides.

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Nov 21, 2014 14:23:11   #
chrisscholbe Loc: Kansas City, MO
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
There are standards that serve us very well, as a child in Miami I remember a polluted Biscyane Bay, polluted lakes and canals... Now when you go down to South Florida the air and the water is beautiful. We have standards and we have laws, when businesses violate those standards or laws what you do is you prosecute the shit out of them....

But that does not come close to what is happening right now, right now we have a bunch of government wonks who think that it is their job to restrict and regulate everything, hell you guys want to regulate the dust in rural farming communities, I have already eluded to the mud puddle controversies that have occurred in different locations throughout the country, you want to tax rain run off in some areas and you will stop major and important projects for minnows and mice that may or may not be impacted.... Shit, you guys want to spend some $30 million plus to move some comorants off of a bridge that is being brought down in CA.... Take the damn bridge down the birds will leave believe me, you don't have to worry about moving them they will realize that the new bridge that has already been built is a much better home than the one that is coming down.
There are standards that serve us very well, as a ... (show quote)

I agree with the first part of your post.

And I agree, in large part, with the second part of your post.

I would find it interesting to see if your suggestion actually worked.
I find myself thinking of the consequences if it actually harmed the cormorants instead of causing them to relocate.

This may not be an issue for you, but if we do things that harm too many species, we may suffer unintended consequeces. All these animals are here serving a purpose.

Maybe I'm just too cautious.

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Nov 21, 2014 14:52:09   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
chrisscholbe wrote:
I agree with the first part of your post.

And I agree, in large part, with the second part of your post.

I would find it interesting to see if your suggestion actually worked.
I find myself thinking of the consequences if it actually harmed the cormorants instead of causing them to relocate.

This may not be an issue for you, but if we do things that harm too many species, we may suffer unintended consequeces. All these animals are here serving a purpose.

Maybe I'm just too cautious.
I agree with the first part of your post. br br A... (show quote)


Well they are not an endangered species, wind mills kill more Golden Eagles than the destruction of that bridge will kill cormorants. Hey, I get it, I live in Florida and see them everywhere, they are beautiful birds, but $30 million +. Don't think that you would spend your own money that way, the government should be a little more conservative with taxpayer dollars. Unless they are going to blow that bridge all at once in a massive implosion they are probably making a big deal out of nothing because I feel pretty certain after the first few charges go off those birds will be out of there.

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Nov 21, 2014 18:49:12   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
I have not been following Big Bear's posts... I guess I misunderstood the gist of your post... If you were to have a quiet conversation with Big Bear I am sure that his true feelings are not far different than mine, he is probably a little frustrated with the current administration and just a bit vitriolic in some of his web posts, I see a lot of that one both sides.


I think you are really quick to say conservatives don't believe this when what you mean is you don't believe it. sometimes you are in the company of real wackos. We have had ours. Beam me up Scotty was a democrat but in many cases it looks like they have taken over the soul of the Republican party. I was going to say your party but I don't actually know if that is fair or accurate.

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Nov 21, 2014 18:54:10   #
reelfishin Loc: Yorktown, Virginia
 
I disagree a liberal did all that. First of all Unions were made because the pay was so poor and people wanted better. It was not a liberal or conservative who caused that to happen. It was people of both who wanted more for what they were doing. Now the Unions have gotten out of hand and do things that hurt business and manufacturing. Keeping people on at a company that lay off all the time is not good for the Union or the Company.

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Nov 21, 2014 19:51:31   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
thom w wrote:
I think you are really quick to say conservatives don't believe this when what you mean is you don't believe it. sometimes you are in the company of real wackos. We have had ours. Beam me up Scotty was a democrat but in many cases it looks like they have taken over the soul of the Republican party. I was going to say your party but I don't actually know if that is fair or accurate.


You are not getting a good cross section of republicans on this site, but I will say that most conservatives have little faith that our government can do much to change things in our society as they have a terrible track record, all you have to do is look around at our inner cities and the groups that so strongly support your party, god only knows why because you haven't accomplished anything more than hand outs and a life of subsistence to them, that neither you or I would be willing to accept. Here we are spending $500 billion a year more than we take in and our government wants to expand our entitlements, I wonder if the CBO will score president Obama's executive order, I am pretty sure that was in the Trillion dollar range if it holds up for ten years.... Lets not forget that the average child tax credit for a family with a couple of kids making in the $40,000 range is something like $6,000.. Not to mention the medical and other benefits that they will qualify for...

I think that I already explained to you what will happen when interest rates go back to normal, our deficits will exceed a trillion dollars annually again with no end insight...

Can you not see the insanity in our federal government and its absolute refusal of accountability, I heard a report that federal workers can be on paid leave for years for no real legitimate reason.... Try and run a business that way and see how long you last. Why should we expect less from the government which forcibly takes our money and then wastes it and expects us to understand that they are just to big to be managed.

Puck that.

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Nov 21, 2014 20:00:19   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
You are not getting a good cross section of republicans on this site, but I will say that most conservatives have little faith that our government can do much to change things in our society as they have a terrible track record, all you have to do is look around at our inner cities and the groups that so strongly support your party, god only knows why because you haven't accomplished anything more than hand outs and a life of subsistence to them, that neither you or I would be willing to accept. Here we are spending $500 billion a year more than we take in and our government wants to expand our entitlements, I wonder if the CBO will score president Obama's executive order, I am pretty sure that was in the Trillion dollar range if it holds up for ten years.... Lets not forget that the average child tax credit for a family with a couple of kids making in the $40,000 range is something like $6,000.. Not to mention the medical and other benefits that they will qualify for...

I think that I already explained to you what will happen when interest rates go back to normal, our deficits will exceed a trillion dollars annually again with no end insight...

Can you not see the insanity in our federal government and its absolute refusal of accountability, I heard a report that federal workers can be on paid leave for years for no real legitimate reason.... Try and run a business that way and see how long you last. Why should we expect less from the government which forcibly takes our money and then wastes it and expects us to understand that they are just to big to be managed.

Puck that.
You are not getting a good cross section of republ... (show quote)


I cant think of anything to say except, Ted Cruz, Louie Gohmert, Steve King, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachman, I'm sure you could list more than I can but you don't acknowledge it.

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Nov 21, 2014 20:16:40   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
thom w wrote:
I cant think of anything to say except, Ted Cruz, Louie Gohmert, Steve King, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachman, I'm sure you could list more than I can but you don't acknowledge it.


They are professional noise makers for the most part, the only one of any significance that you listed is Ted Cruz and I still have not quite figured him out, he is without a doubt one of the smartest and actually most accomplished senators in DC, before you respond if you have not already you should read his bio...

Just can't figure out his angle but he is playing some sort of game, he is far to smart to not see the opposition he engenders in not only the left but also in many moderates.

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Nov 21, 2014 20:27:42   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
They are professional noise makers for the most part, the only one of any significance that you listed is Ted Cruz and I still have not quite figured him out, he is without a doubt one of the smartest and actually most accomplished senators in DC, before you respond if you have not already you should read his bio...

Just can't figure out his angle but he is playing some sort of game, he is far to smart to not see the opposition he engenders in not only the left but also in many moderates.
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The reincarnation of a Wisconsin Senator of long ago who was dispatched by Murrow.

As far as his bio I know he's a Canadian Cuban who's father is a crazy religious zealot. Is there more? McCarthy crashed, I believe he will too, will he take the party with him?

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Nov 21, 2014 21:23:23   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
thom w wrote:
The reincarnation of a Wisconsin Senator of long ago who was dispatched by Murrow.

As far as his bio I know he's a Canadian Cuban who's father is a crazy religious zealot. Is there more? McCarthy crashed, I believe he will too, will he take the party with him?


Wiki....

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Cruz graduated cum laude from Princeton University with a Bachelor of Arts degree from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs in 1992. While at Princeton, he competed for the American Whig-Cliosophic Society's Debate Panel and won the top speaker award at both the 1992 U.S. National Debating Championship and the 1992 North American Debating Championship. In 1992, he was named U.S. National Speaker of the Year and Team of the Year (with his debate partner, David Panton). Cruz was also a semi-finalist at the 1995 World Universities Debating Championship, making him Princeton’s highest-ranked debater at the championship. Princeton's debate team later named their annual novice championship after Cruz.
Cruz's senior thesis on the separation of powers, titled "Clipping the Wings of Angels," draws its inspiration from a passage attributed to President James Madison: "If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary." Cruz argued that the drafters of the Constitution intended to protect the rights of their constituents, and the last two items in the Bill of Rights offered an explicit stop against an all-powerful state. Cruz wrote: "They simply do so from different directions. The Tenth stops new powers, and the Ninth fortifies all other rights, or non-powers."

After graduating from Princeton, Cruz attended Harvard Law School, graduating magna cum laude in 1995 with a Juris Doctor degree. While at Harvard Law, Cruz was a primary editor of the Harvard Law Review, and executive editor of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, and a founding editor of the Harvard Latino Law Review. Referring to Cruz's time as a student at Harvard Law, Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant." At Harvard Law, Cruz was a John M. Olin Fellow in Law and Economics.
Cruz graduated cum laude from Princeton University... (show quote)


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" As Solicitor General, Cruz would argue before the Supreme Court nine times, winning five cases and losing four.

Cruz has authored 70 United States Supreme Court briefs and presented 43 oral arguments, including nine before the United States Supreme Court. Cruz's record of having argued before the Supreme Court nine times is more than any practicing lawyer in Texas or any current member of Congress.

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Nov 21, 2014 21:35:46   #
dljen Loc: Central PA
 
Blurry, did you ever know of or know somebody that was absolutely brilliant but at the same time tottered of the brink of insanity? I think that's who Cruz is. He doesn't seem to have any common sense.

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Nov 21, 2014 21:40:52   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
dljen wrote:
Blurry, did you ever know of or know somebody that was absolutely brilliant but at the same time tottered of the brink of insanity? I think that's who Cruz is. He doesn't seem to have any common sense.


Hard to say, reading his bio a second time I see that in his youth he studied the philosophies of Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, Frédéric Bastiat and Ludwig von Mises, they make compelling arguments, pretty much where I got my econ education, those guys and running businesses.

Maybe Cruz is being genuine.

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Nov 21, 2014 21:43:56   #
dljen Loc: Central PA
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Hard to say, reading his bio a second time I see that in his youth he studied the philosophies of Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, Frédéric Bastiat and Ludwig von Mises, they make compelling arguments, pretty much where I got my econ education, those guys and running businesses.

Maybe Cruz is being genuine.


An intelligent person would not try to be a lightning rod like he is...he's no politician. I don't think he plays well outside of TX.

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Nov 21, 2014 21:58:39   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Hard to say, reading his bio a second time I see that in his youth he studied the philosophies of Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, Frédéric Bastiat and Ludwig von Mises, they make compelling arguments, pretty much where I got my econ education, those guys and running businesses.

Maybe Cruz is being genuine.


All of that doesn't guarantee he won't crash the party.

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