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Nov 2, 2014 20:58:09   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
Tom Brownell wrote:
Seems simple enough to me. The more glass surfaces you introduce into the equation the more chance you have for something to go wrong!


EXACTLY! :thumbup:

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Nov 2, 2014 23:36:35   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
CHOLLY wrote:
The addition of another element... the UV filter... in fact INCREASES flare.

That's what happened in THIS case. Since the blob was colored, you know EXACTLY what caused it... in this case, the UV filter. ;)


The sunspots with my Panasonic G ultra wide angle lens are pinkish-purple in some cases and green in other cases - depending on the angle from the sunlight that I'm at. It has no UV filter on it so your conclusion is incorrect. A color blob is clearly not always from using a UV filter.

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Nov 2, 2014 23:47:19   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
CHOLLY wrote:
???

As YOU pointed out, most modern digital sensors are FILTERED to eliminate UV light. Those that aren't use software in image processing to eliminate the effect of UV on the recorded image.

UV lens filters are NOT necessary for modern digital cameras.


If you will look at the data I provided, the sensors are only partially filtered. There are ranges in both UV and IR that are not filtered from the sensor. It is those ranges that the sensors are susceptible to both UV and IR. There is no processing the UV out since the camera has no idea what altitude the camera is at. My guess is if you would contact the camera manufactures, they would confirm they have no in camera processing for UV. Macromarks confirms what I already knew about the Smokey Mountain National Park (been there several times). And I can guarantee you will have a noticeable difference shooting a sky / mountain scene from a 10,000 foot pass. Film does "record" UV more so than digital. But digital sensors will record some UV and a UV filter will remove that UV. It is a fact (and researchable), not fiction.

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Nov 3, 2014 01:25:04   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
Tom Brownell wrote:
Well wdross, I have to agree with you on almost everything you said. The only point that I was trying to get across, is that for the average shooting condition, shading the lens will virtually eliminate lens flair. you are absolutely correct in saying that it is caused by light bouncing back and forth between glass surfaces! My point is, :Why add another surface for it catch that reflection? especially when the extra surface has a coating that is slightly darker. (filter surface) not only that, but the further away from the actual exterior lens surface, the worst it gets!
Well wdross, I have to agree with you on almost ev... (show quote)


You are right. Unless the filter is coated nearly as well as the lense itself, it will only increase the lense flare. You are right that even a properly coated filter will potentially increase the lense flare by two surfaces. If the sunlight cannot be kept off the filter, it could be better taking off the filter - especially a poorly coated filter.

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Nov 3, 2014 14:57:49   #
MotoXR
 
Again Thank you for everyones input. Under the circumstances that i shoot in i have to have some type of protection for the lens due to flying rocks,sand ect. I am anywhere from 3' to 20' from the areas being shot and rocks flying at 60mph do damage lol So that being said i have the choice between a clear UV or Polorized filter

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Nov 3, 2014 18:35:44   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
MotoXR wrote:
Again Thank you for everyones input. Under the circumstances that i shoot in i have to have some type of protection for the lens due to flying rocks,sand ect. I am anywhere from 3' to 20' from the areas being shot and rocks flying at 60mph do damage lol So that being said i have the choice between a clear UV or Polorized filter


I think your lens shades that you showed will help you a lot. Since you are more or less obligated to a filter to protect the lense, l would be buying the best UV filter that has the best visible light transmission rate with the most scratch resistant coating. I believe Hoya has just come out with a pro series that would meet most of these criteria, but they may not be the best or the "cheapest" (good filters are never cheap). Wish you much success with your shooting.

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Nov 3, 2014 23:06:40   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
marcomarks wrote:
The sunspots with my Panasonic G ultra wide angle lens are pinkish-purple in some cases and green in other cases - depending on the angle from the sunlight that I'm at. It has no UV filter on it so your conclusion is incorrect. A color blob is clearly not always from using a UV filter.



Did you READ M.T.'s first post in this thread? No?

Well, I suggest you go back and take a look... ;)

MT Shooter wrote:
It is lens flare, and because of the green color it is clear it is being CAUSED by the UV filter. The green color is because of the coating on the filter.
The best, and only, help for lens flare is a good lens hood, but if you are shooting into the sun then you will never eliminate lens flare completely.
UV filters will only lessen the effect of refracted UV light, they do nothing to assist with the reduction of direct light of any kind.


Yep... makes sense. :thumbup:

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Nov 3, 2014 23:14:49   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
wdross wrote:
If you will look at the data I provided, the sensors are only partially filtered. There are ranges in both UV and IR that are not filtered from the sensor. It is those ranges that the sensors are susceptible to both UV and IR. There is no processing the UV out since the camera has no idea what altitude the camera is at. My guess is if you would contact the camera manufactures, they would confirm they have no in camera processing for UV. Macromarks confirms what I already knew about the Smokey Mountain National Park (been there several times). And I can guarantee you will have a noticeable difference shooting a sky / mountain scene from a 10,000 foot pass. Film does "record" UV more so than digital. But digital sensors will record some UV and a UV filter will remove that UV. It is a fact (and researchable), not fiction.
If you will look at the data I provided, the senso... (show quote)


It's ALSO a fact that different manufacturers filter different sensors differently.

MOST modern CMOS sensors ARE filtered to remove MOST wavelengths of UV. Additionally, modern lens coatings ALSO reduce or remove UV from the light striking those modern sensors.

UV filters ARE NOT NECCESSARY on modern DSLRs. PERIOD.

Of course this IS the U.S. of A and anyone can put all the filters on their lenses that they wish. It's just that they shouldn't be surprised when they get nice blobs and ghosts and decreased contrast when they do... ;)

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Nov 3, 2014 23:17:28   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
MotoXR wrote:
Again Thank you for everyones input. Under the circumstances that i shoot in i have to have some type of protection for the lens due to flying rocks,sand ect. I am anywhere from 3' to 20' from the areas being shot and rocks flying at 60mph do damage lol So that being said i have the choice between a clear UV or Polorized filter


Forget about the UV filter. Get that out of your head. :lol:

As MT Shooter said in his 2nd or 3rd post, but the BEST clear protective filter you can afford. You don't need UV... just protection. ;)

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Nov 4, 2014 01:36:31   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
CHOLLY wrote:
Yep... makes sense. :thumbup:


The various colors are caused by the lense coatings and the angle that the sunlight and reflections occur through them and nothing else. It is just like macromarks states, the colors from pinkish - purple to green and depends on light angle and what order the coatings were put on. That is because every 1/4 wave length coating is for a different wave lenght. Hence, a three layer coated lense/filter is not as good as a eight or nine layer coated lense/filter. The three coated lense/filter will have much greater flare and less light transmission than the nine coated lense/filter. It also costs much more for a nine coated lense/filter because of the difficult in accuracy and quality of those layers. This is why we photographers have to pay big bucks for good lenses and filters. And I learned about this in my first photography class back in 1975 and it still has not changed. Haven't you wondered why we pay so much for the lenses? The calculations are complex and done by a computer now. They have to include these layers in that calculation. But that is a one time calculation cost. There will be manufacturing costs. But one of the biggest of those costs are those 1/4 wave length coatings. If you screw up those layers, you have screwed up the whole lense - focus, flare, and everything else. Your computer designed lense is junk. And if you doubt me, research it. It really has not changed.

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Nov 4, 2014 13:26:17   #
MotoXR
 
wdross Thank makes perfect sence. quality = money = better quality photographs :)

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