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Nov 28, 2014 19:26:26   #
Wallbanger Loc: Madison, WI
 
Billyspad wrote:
Your "example" may not be the best HDR in the world but may be the guy is learning the ropes? Not sure its totally fair to put a link to his work with a comment you may have thought was amusing.
He is brave enough to post his work I may be mistaken but I cannot find any of your pictures here. Think your post was slightly disrespectful and does not help answer the original thread at all.

Kindest regards

Billyspad


Actually, his response to my response shouldn't be viewed as disrespectful. Rather, I believe the point we were both making is that HDR has a place, but in recent years it has been become a fad, and more often than not done badly. It's very easy to "over do" HDR when you first start playing with it, sharing examples (or pointing them out) of overdone HDR should help someone that is just getting in to it.

In fact, I'm going to post a link as well - https://urhdrsucks.wordpress.com/ (not my site)

The chart a few posts down pretty much sums it up (we all went there if we started playing with HDR)

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Nov 28, 2014 19:42:55   #
lightcatcher Loc: Farmington, NM (4 corners)
 
Billyspad wrote:
Your "example" may not be the best HDR in the world but may be the guy is learning the ropes? Not sure its totally fair to put a link to his work with a comment you may have thought was amusing.
He is brave enough to post his work I may be mistaken but I cannot find any of your pictures here. Think your post was slightly disrespectful and does not help answer the original thread at all.

Kindest regards

Billyspad


My comment was directed at Wallbanger and not the OP, pointing out bad examples or good examples is all part of the learning experience. As far as seeing my work here you will not. Regretfully I have invested a lot of money to get back into photography that I love and respect, I thought after cataract surgery I would be able to, but can not as I am now legally blind. I have shot for over fifty years and miss it.
Regards
John

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Nov 28, 2014 20:17:17   #
Billyspad Loc: The Philippines
 
Wallbanger wrote:
Actually, his response to my response shouldn't be viewed as disrespectful. Rather, I believe the point we were both making is that HDR has a place, but in recent years it has been become a fad, and more often than not done badly. It's very easy to "over do" HDR when you first start playing with it, sharing examples (or pointing them out) of overdone HDR should help someone that is just getting in to it.

In fact, I'm going to post a link as well - https://urhdrsucks.wordpress.com/ (not my site)

The chart a few posts down pretty much sums it up (we all went there if we started playing with HDR)
Actually, his response to my response shouldn't be... (show quote)


My man Im a confessed HDR freak. I post an HDR image on the Hog almost daily. Some you will consider overdone others you may like. Matters not to me. All I would ask is you do not post a link to them without asking, irrespective of what point you are trying to make.
So I still find what happened disrespectful to the guy. There are plenty of what you feel are bad images in the public domain rather than use this mans work who is trying to learn and needs encouragement in a positive manner. Also he has the balls to show what he does so deserves recognition for that.

We may not quite see eye to eye on this issue but hopefully will not fall out because of that.

As I said Im an HDR man through and through and generally process an image every day and have done for a few years. There are no rights and wrongs in HDR. Its not photograhy so do not confuse it with such. Its digital art that starts with a photograph. 40% in camera and 60% in computer is how I would describe it. Cartoonish HDR is valid for for some images and looks out of place on others. The secret is adjusting the processing to suit the image.

Regards Billyspad

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Nov 28, 2014 20:25:18   #
Wallbanger Loc: Madison, WI
 
Billyspad wrote:
My man Im a confessed HDR freak. I post an HDR image on the Hog almost daily. Some you will consider overdone others you may like. Matters not to me. All I would ask is you do not post a link to them without asking, irrespective of what point you are trying to make.
So I still find what happened disrespectful to the guy. There are plenty of what you feel are bad images in the public domain rather than use this mans work who is trying to learn and needs encouragement in a positive manner. Also he has the balls to show what he does so deserves recognition for that.

We may not quite see eye to eye on this issue but hopefully will not fall out because of that.

As I said Im an HDR man through and through and generally process an image every day and have done for a few years. There are no rights and wrongs in HDR. Its not photograhy so do not confuse it with such. Its digital art that starts with a photograph. 40% in camera and 60% in computer is how I would describe it. Cartoonish HDR is valid for for some images and looks out of place on others. The secret is adjusting the processing to suit the image.

Regards Billyspad
My man Im a confessed HDR freak. I post an HDR ima... (show quote)


I didn't post it.

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Nov 29, 2014 00:28:31   #
Billyspad Loc: The Philippines
 
lightcatcher wrote:
My comment was directed at Wallbanger and not the OP, pointing out bad examples or good examples is all part of the learning experience. As far as seeing my work here you will not. Regretfully I have invested a lot of money to get back into photography that I love and respect, I thought after cataract surgery I would be able to, but can not as I am now legally blind. I have shot for over fifty years and miss it.
Regards
John


I am desperately sorry to hear of your condition and wish you well my friend. My further thoughts on the matter of using the example you did are in my posts to here to Wallbanger.
I only have 50% hearing but do not think it compares with with what you are suffering so again I wish you well.

Regards

Billyspad

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Nov 29, 2014 00:37:47   #
Billyspad Loc: The Philippines
 
Wallbanger wrote:
I didn't post it.


I realize that but you endorsed the use of it I feel.
Subject closed huh Its behind us. Lets move on and those of us that can take some pictures.

Regards

Billyspad

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Nov 29, 2014 00:51:34   #
lightcatcher Loc: Farmington, NM (4 corners)
 
Billyspad wrote:
I realize that but you endorsed the use of it I feel.
Subject closed huh Its behind us. Lets move on and those of us that can take some pictures.

Regards

Billyspad


Good advice always take pictures because one day it can all stop. Every photographer can not satisfy all viewers way too many variables. With that each to his/her own...

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Nov 29, 2014 06:56:05   #
andrew.haysom Loc: Melbourne, Australia
 
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
There used to be some "HDR masters" in the UHH HDR section. They were able to successfully create HDRs without the halos and without pixelation. It is not inevitable; it just takes work.

The two I recall were "Andrew Haysom" & "Conkerwood". They both included their work flows and produced quality images. Neither seems to post in that forum as regularly as they used to.

The best advice? Look them up.

Firstly, thanks for the compliment LRF, I appreciate it.

Secondly for a proper critique I'd like to see a full version of the image, otherwise to a degree I'm just guessing.

What I'm seeing in your pictures is I think a combination of multiple things. Firstly movement in the leaves and branches, secondly chromatic aberration and thirdly noise.

My general advice would be as follows;
- Always use a quality software product to remove CA and noise from all the images being input to the HDR process before processing them through the HDR software.
- Avoid using any of the heavy tone mapping presets, these will exacerbate any noise or CA in your images so much the images look terrible.
- If you have movement between images, especially lots of movement like leaves and branches, the automatic ghosting features will struggle and you'll always get messy edges. Consider doing a pseudo-HDR of your middle exposure (create a -2, +2 exposure in ACR and then process these), and then blend this with your HDR for the problematic movement areas.

Hope this helps.
Andrew

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Nov 29, 2014 15:15:10   #
Toni's Vision Loc: Quincy, Illinois
 
I appreciate all the ideas and suggestions. Sorry I took so long to respond. I work full time plus photography and I get pretty overwhelmed sometimes. At any rate.. I do thank you for your time. I've found that processing a single photo and painting that photo over the bad spots using a layer mask does the trick. For those who mentioned overused HDR.. I'm not a fan of some HDR and that is my own preference. For those who like that look.. well that is what makes the world go round. We're all different. You might notice though.. my HDR is a little different than that. Often times people don't even realize it's HDR until I tell them. Sometimes I don't tell at all. :)

Thanks again!

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Nov 29, 2014 15:25:33   #
lightcatcher Loc: Farmington, NM (4 corners)
 
Toni's Vision wrote:
I appreciate all the ideas and suggestions. Sorry I took so long to respond. I work full time plus photography and I get pretty overwhelmed sometimes. At any rate.. I do thank you for your time. I've found that processing a single photo and painting that photo over the bad spots using a layer mask does the trick. For those who mentioned overused HDR.. I'm not a fan of some HDR and that is my own preference. For those who like that look.. well that is what makes the world go round. We're all different. You might notice though.. my HDR is a little different than that. Often times people don't even realize it's HDR until I tell them. Sometimes I don't tell at all. :)

Thanks again!
I appreciate all the ideas and suggestions. Sorry... (show quote)


I have seen your PP and the use of HDR your concept and mine is very much the same. The overcooked that I refer to does not enter into this equation at all.

PS I did learn from your topic, Thank you for bring it up..

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Nov 29, 2014 15:30:56   #
Toni's Vision Loc: Quincy, Illinois
 
Glad to hear it! :)

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