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Oct 2, 2014 07:23:13   #
magicunicorn Loc: Melbourne Australia
 
Hi everyone

A little over a year and a half ago I started a little photography business taking photos of horses and events. It has grown so much so quickly it's starting to get away from me.

When do you say it's time to get some help.... that won't cost t he earth. I was thinking of photography students who might need experience in editing and shooting at events.
I am fussy with my work but it's too much for me as I'm booked up until end of year and almost fully booked up until March.
I have had to refuse jobs quiet a few times as I am already booked on those days.
I have just finished editing 5000 images from last weekend and posting 85 % of them .Already having sold 4 lots of images to riders before all photos were posted today.

How does everyone keep up with shoots and orders.... it's very over wealming at times.

Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
Kellie

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Oct 2, 2014 07:34:13   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
magicunicorn wrote:
Hi everyone

A little over a year and a half ago I started a little photography business taking photos of horses and events. It has grown so much so quickly it's starting to get away from me.

When do you say it's time to get some help.... that won't cost t he earth. I was thinking of photography students who might need experience in editing and shooting at events.
I am fussy with my work but it's too much for me as I'm booked up until end of year and almost fully booked up until March.
I have had to refuse jobs quiet a few times as I am already booked on those days.
I have just finished editing 5000 images from last weekend and posting 85 % of them .Already having sold 4 lots of images to riders before all photos were posted today.

How does everyone keep up with shoots and orders.... it's very over wealming at times.

Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
Kellie
Hi everyone br br A little over a year and a half... (show quote)


Congratulations on your success.
Your business has grown like that because of the high quality of work you do, both with the camera and in post. A question to ask is, will the photography student be able to maintain that quality? And will the photography student bring the same passion and commitment to the job that you bring?

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Oct 2, 2014 07:40:05   #
magicunicorn Loc: Melbourne Australia
 
Thank you Mac
That is a fear I have but on the other side I can teach the student my fussiness and eye to detail so I can take them on board as a second photographer if I keep growing bigger.

I have been booked to work along side a very well known respected photographer at a big job which I am very pleased but surprised at. Thank you.

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Oct 2, 2014 07:41:00   #
tradio Loc: Oxford, Ohio
 
Will you spend too much time going over everything that a student does? Will you spend too much time training and will a student meet your expectations?
Kind of a good dilemma to be in, Congrats.

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Oct 2, 2014 07:47:36   #
Capture48 Loc: Arizona
 
A student or intern won't be very helpful in the beginning, as they generally just help you carry gear. It takes time for them to learn your style and work their way into shooting for you.

You can get them to do some light editing for you, and that may free up some of your time. But again you are checking on their work until they get to know your style and that takes time as well.

If you need to immediately free up some time, you have to hire a photographer. This would be someone who has a body of work you already like. Pay them per job. You may not make a whole lot off their work, but you turned down less jobs and build a reputation for quality and service.

Of course you can also farm out your editing, there are companies out there that can do it at a reasonable price. This would also free up more time to shoot and take more assignments. You could also hire an office manager who manages your assignments, website purchases and maintenance. They can also be your main customer interface. This will free up some time for you.

I just want you to understand, there are a lot of budding photographers who work cheep or free for the experience, their work will reflect their inexperience. In the end they will cost you time, you won't gain any. I am not down on interns, in fact I am for them. But if you expect to immediately free up time to take more jobs, you won't with an intern. They take a time investment. Free is never free!

Good luck, let us know how it goes. BTW you have a problem most would love to have.......being too busy!

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Oct 2, 2014 10:19:37   #
Hankwt Loc: kingsville ontario
 
Ok Im no pro , just a budding amateur who loves photograpy but one thin that struck me in your post was - 5,000 images from last weekend - isnt that a huge amount ?? perhaps a bit more selective culling could cut processing time down significantly ??? what are the chances that even at 85% keeper rate you really need to edit post that amount ??

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Oct 2, 2014 10:23:34   #
Mormorazzi Loc: Temple, Texas
 
One more thought. Double your prices. You'll cut your work in half but bring home the same amount. You're obviously in high demand.

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Oct 2, 2014 10:41:39   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
You might consider hiring a Photoshop/LR/NIK geek rather than a shooter. By hiring just a shooter you will be training a competitor in the long run.
magicunicorn wrote:
Hi everyone

A little over a year and a half ago I started a little photography business taking photos of horses and events. It has grown so much so quickly it's starting to get away from me.

When do you say it's time to get some help.... that won't cost t he earth. I was thinking of photography students who might need experience in editing and shooting at events.
I am fussy with my work but it's too much for me as I'm booked up until end of year and almost fully booked up until March.
I have had to refuse jobs quiet a few times as I am already booked on those days.
I have just finished editing 5000 images from last weekend and posting 85 % of them .Already having sold 4 lots of images to riders before all photos were posted today.

How does everyone keep up with shoots and orders.... it's very over wealming at times.

Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
Kellie
Hi everyone br br A little over a year and a half... (show quote)

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Oct 2, 2014 11:52:50   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
DavidPine wrote:
You might consider hiring a Photoshop/LR/NIK geek rather than a shooter. By hiring just a shooter you will be training a competitor in the long run.

Excellent suggestion! A number of pros, especially wedding photographers it seems, outsource their post processing. I was told by one that LR has an "export with preview" type feature specifically for this.

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Oct 2, 2014 11:56:29   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
magicunicorn wrote:
Hi everyone

A little over a year and a half ago I started a little photography business taking photos of horses and events. It has grown so much so quickly it's starting to get away from me.

When do you say it's time to get some help.... that won't cost t he earth. I was thinking of photography students who might need experience in editing and shooting at events.
I am fussy with my work but it's too much for me as I'm booked up until end of year and almost fully booked up until March.
I have had to refuse jobs quiet a few times as I am already booked on those days.
I have just finished editing 5000 images from last weekend and posting 85 % of them .Already having sold 4 lots of images to riders before all photos were posted today.

How does everyone keep up with shoots and orders.... it's very over wealming at times.

Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
Kellie
Hi everyone br br A little over a year and a half... (show quote)

When you can afford to pay an assistant, or to pay someone to do some of the work, it may make sense to hire them.

When the employee/vendor can do some of the work which is "inefficient" for you, freeing you to do what is efficient, then it is time to do it. For example, if you can hire someone to do the post processing at a lower total cost, you can spend more time shooting, where you are more likely to be stronger.

I've been watching a few CreativeLive videos on photography businesses, it can be very helpful.

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Oct 2, 2014 12:08:24   #
brucewells Loc: Central Kentucky
 
Mormorazzi wrote:
One more thought. Double your prices. You'll cut your work in half but bring home the same amount. You're obviously in high demand.


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Good recommendation!

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Oct 2, 2014 12:28:01   #
Capture48 Loc: Arizona
 
Mormorazzi wrote:
One more thought. Double your prices. You'll cut your work in half but bring home the same amount. You're obviously in high demand.


Not a well thought out idea! You are assuming he will retain 50% of his business, which statics do not bear out. I may agree with ramping up your pricing, but doubling is not very smart!

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Oct 2, 2014 12:48:44   #
Mormorazzi Loc: Temple, Texas
 
He's swamped in a specialty market and is considering hiring someone, which is going to take time, the cost of hiring and the cost of training. Let's just say he needs to find his niche's breaking point before he goes that route.

Capture48 wrote:
Not a well thought out idea! You are assuming he will retain 50% of his business, which statics do not bear out. I may agree with ramping up your pricing, but doubling is not very smart!

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Oct 2, 2014 12:56:04   #
Capture48 Loc: Arizona
 
Mormorazzi wrote:
He's swamped in a specialty market and is considering hiring someone, which is going to take time, the cost of hiring and the cost of training. Let's just say he needs to find his niche's breaking point before he goes that route.


He needs to find the market clearing rate for his services. In a slightly free market economy such as ours we do not set prices, we take them. Also don't make the mistake of only thinking of one solution, when in fact there are many. Its far cheeper to outsource PP work than to hire an assistant. If he does this he can slightly increase his cost to cover the PP work and retain most of his customer base.

I will say however that he will need to either cull the images better, because sending 5K images to PP will be cost prohibitive.

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Oct 2, 2014 12:58:48   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
Capture48 wrote:
A student or intern won't be very helpful in the beginning, as they generally just help you carry gear. It takes time for them to learn your style and work their way into shooting for you.

You can get them to do some light editing for you, and that may free up some of your time. But again you are checking on their work until they get to know your style and that takes time as well.

If you need to immediately free up some time, you have to hire a photographer. This would be someone who has a body of work you already like. Pay them per job. You may not make a whole lot off their work, but you turned down less jobs and build a reputation for quality and service.

Of course you can also farm out your editing, there are companies out there that can do it at a reasonable price. This would also free up more time to shoot and take more assignments. You could also hire an office manager who manages your assignments, website purchases and maintenance. They can also be your main customer interface. This will free up some time for you.

I just want you to understand, there are a lot of budding photographers who work cheep or free for the experience, their work will reflect their inexperience. In the end they will cost you time, you won't gain any. I am not down on interns, in fact I am for them. But if you expect to immediately free up time to take more jobs, you won't with an intern. They take a time investment. Free is never free!

Good luck, let us know how it goes. BTW you have a problem most would love to have.......being too busy!
A student or intern won't be very helpful in the b... (show quote)


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