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Sep 14, 2014 16:35:55 #
Bram boy
Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada
rpavich wrote:
I'm just pointing out that there is a lot of "... (show quote)
we all know that , but maybe ? just maybe .? he wants to blow up a cropped
picture to 35x20. if he is not going to crop and blow up the pictures that the
d810 takes , the difference between the two will be neglagable at best
Sep 14, 2014 16:50:34 #
rpavich wrote:
Hmmm...your current camera won't give you that?
I'm guessing that you are buying into the myth of FF....
I'm guessing that you are buying into the myth of FF....
What myth? To get the same angle of view at a given distance you will use a longer focal length on FF than you will on DX, or will have to get closer to the subject to use the same focal length.
Since longer focal length and closer distance are two of the three (third being wider aperture) ways get narrow depth of field, there is no myth to FF giving better subject isolation.
Now a given lens will have identical bokeh on FF and DX, you will get to use and enjoy that bokeh more easily on FF and to greater effect.
Of course a lens with harsh bokeh will still be harsh on FF.
Sep 14, 2014 16:53:15 #
Go ahead and get a FF, you will love it. One other benefit that has nothing to do with the images produced and everything to do with actuating using the camera is the viewfinder.
Most DX format DSLRs have tiny, tunnel-like viewfinders. Look through a good FF DSLR and prepare to be blown away. The view through my Nikon Df is big, bright and beautiful, and greatly enhances my joy in using the camera.
Most DX format DSLRs have tiny, tunnel-like viewfinders. Look through a good FF DSLR and prepare to be blown away. The view through my Nikon Df is big, bright and beautiful, and greatly enhances my joy in using the camera.
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Sep 14, 2014 16:54:58 #
imagesintime wrote:
Zach is a very good photographer. I have learned a lot from him by reading his blog over the years. In fact he may be a better teacher than photographer. But, I also watched Zach discover that Canon was better than his Nikon, and then discover that medium format was better than his full frame. He is now paid by Fuji to says nice things about Fuji. And 4/3s will never be as good as a larger sensor no matter what technology does, unless it finds a way to break the laws of physics.
And the rationale behind what you say about smaller vs larger sensor is that the technology applied to M4/3 will be similarly applied to larger formats. A rising tide will lift all boats. M4/3 may be better than, say, a 700 someday, but it is not likely that it will exceed a current full frame camera.
Sep 14, 2014 16:58:19 #
asiafish wrote:
What myth? To get the same angle of view at a giv... (show quote)
The myth is believing that their is a myth - spread by the many "false prophets" of photography that say there is a myth about one thing or another to attract attention (and web traffic).
Sep 14, 2014 16:58:57 #
From a biased former D800 owner. Body$3200 with totally inadequate battery and no portrait controls so another $400 for the auxiliary base plus another battery $100. Raw files 45 mB. High speed frames 5 per second. Really should upgrade to en el18a adapter $26 and $149 for battery and $50 for charger. After all that you realize you should have gotten the D800e. What you have is a huge, heavy, slow camera with terrible ergonomic, poor battery life, possibly 2 charger (D800 charger only does one battery at a time. You'll spend a ton on CF and SD cards big enough to work efficiently. Plus ditch your DX lenses and buy ED FX lenses. Oh be ready to take the camera apart to chart the native battery that degrades just sitting around.
The D810 solves a few of these problems but is inherently the same camera as the D800e. I gave up after 18 months and 3000 pictures and bought up to a D4s. Some may think that a step down or sideways but it has been a far superior camera to hol, carry, shoot with superior quality decreasing post time in half. My D800 had constant color issues even with preset WB's. I think that proved to be the low pass filter. The D800e which was believe at release to have color problems actually performed better in color areas
The D810 solves a few of these problems but is inherently the same camera as the D800e. I gave up after 18 months and 3000 pictures and bought up to a D4s. Some may think that a step down or sideways but it has been a far superior camera to hol, carry, shoot with superior quality decreasing post time in half. My D800 had constant color issues even with preset WB's. I think that proved to be the low pass filter. The D800e which was believe at release to have color problems actually performed better in color areas
Sep 14, 2014 17:03:08 #
[quote=Razz]IWith certain I want one that I will be happy with for several years and don't want to be wishing to upgrade anytime soon.
In my view this is something that's just about impossible to guarantee. When you consider the rate things are changing and improving in the digital photography arena there's no way we can see what's just a year or two away. As the quality of electronic view finders improves it's very likely most true DSLRs ,and their rube Goldberg flipping mirror system, will simply disappear from the market and the money saved will support a sensor that's even larger and with less noise than today's full frame DSLRs. If that happens you can be pretty sure Razz is going to want to up grade right along with everyone else. Just one lazy old coot's opinion. ........ Coot
In my view this is something that's just about impossible to guarantee. When you consider the rate things are changing and improving in the digital photography arena there's no way we can see what's just a year or two away. As the quality of electronic view finders improves it's very likely most true DSLRs ,and their rube Goldberg flipping mirror system, will simply disappear from the market and the money saved will support a sensor that's even larger and with less noise than today's full frame DSLRs. If that happens you can be pretty sure Razz is going to want to up grade right along with everyone else. Just one lazy old coot's opinion. ........ Coot
Sep 14, 2014 17:22:46 #
DavidPine
Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
You don't owe me an apology. I was just trying not to confuse the OP. The Pentax you quoted is a great camera but it is also about $9,000. You don't have a problem with me at all.
Racmanaz wrote:
David, after some consideration of my response to the OP, you are correct that I was not being helpful because the Pentax was not in her stated budget. I apologize to you and to the OP and recant my the content of my post.
Sep 14, 2014 17:24:29 #
Bram boy
Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada
[quote=Lazy Old Coot]
that makes sense , but a lot of the one upgrading , are just upgrading because they can . for any thing that they feel will make the job easier . there is people here who have a d600 a d800 a d7000 . and are going to jump on the next upgrade regardless of what it has . the smart upgraded now is jumping on a used d7100 or a used d610 , canon 70d , mK 11, k5
Razz wrote:
IWith certain I want one that I will be happy with... (show quote)
that makes sense , but a lot of the one upgrading , are just upgrading because they can . for any thing that they feel will make the job easier . there is people here who have a d600 a d800 a d7000 . and are going to jump on the next upgrade regardless of what it has . the smart upgraded now is jumping on a used d7100 or a used d610 , canon 70d , mK 11, k5
Sep 14, 2014 17:27:41 #
Meganephron wrote:
From a biased former D800 owner. Body$3200 with t... (show quote)
I've read many similar stories and that is why I narrowed my choice to the D610 and Df. I ultimately went with the Df because of the sensor, and what a magnificent sensor it is.
The two ladies at ISO 3200 using a 1964 Nikkor P 105mm f/2.5 (Sonnar Formula).
The gentleman at the stratospheric ISO of 12,800 with the same lens.
Both shots are OOC JPEG, lens wide-open where the Sonnar magic lives.
Sep 14, 2014 17:50:24 #
[quote=asiafish]I've read many similar stories and that is why I narrowed my choice to the D610 and Df. I ultimately went with the Df because of the sensor, and what a magnificent sensor it is.
Here is what a Nikon D600 sensor is capable of
Time 04:59 AM, no direct light, no flash only ambient city lighting. I could just see the shed and nothing on the far right side.
ISO 800
SS 15"
Lens 24mm
WB Auto
Here is what a Nikon D600 sensor is capable of
Time 04:59 AM, no direct light, no flash only ambient city lighting. I could just see the shed and nothing on the far right side.
ISO 800
SS 15"
Lens 24mm
WB Auto
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Sep 14, 2014 17:52:36 #
[quote=CraigFair]
At low ISO the D600/610 are terrific. Df/D4 magic is at 3200 and up.
The lower resolution of the Df is also a great match for older lenses which might not have sufficient resolving power for 24 or 36 megapixels, but look fantastic with 16.
asiafish wrote:
I've read many similar stories and that is why I narrowed my choice to the D610 and Df. I ultimately went with the Df because of the sensor, and what a magnificent sensor it is.
Here is what a Nikon D600 sensor is capable of
Time 04:59 AM, no direct light, no flash only ambient city lighting. I could just see the shed and nothing on the far right side.
ISO 800
SS 15"
Lens 24mm
WB Auto
Here is what a Nikon D600 sensor is capable of
Time 04:59 AM, no direct light, no flash only ambient city lighting. I could just see the shed and nothing on the far right side.
ISO 800
SS 15"
Lens 24mm
WB Auto
At low ISO the D600/610 are terrific. Df/D4 magic is at 3200 and up.
The lower resolution of the Df is also a great match for older lenses which might not have sufficient resolving power for 24 or 36 megapixels, but look fantastic with 16.
Sep 14, 2014 17:55:08 #
asiafish wrote:
At low ISO the D600/610 are terrific. Df/D4 magic is at 3200 and up.
The lower resolution of the Df is also a great match for older lenses which might not have sufficient resolving power for 24 or 36 megapixels, but look fantastic with 16.
The lower resolution of the Df is also a great match for older lenses which might not have sufficient resolving power for 24 or 36 megapixels, but look fantastic with 16.
OK here's the D600 at 6400 ISO
ISO 6400
Sep 14, 2014 17:59:18 #
CraigFair wrote:
OK here's the D600 at 6400 ISO
Not the best image for seeing noise qualities.
Sep 14, 2014 17:59:55 #
CraigFair wrote:
OK here's the D600 at 6400 ISO
Huge amount of color noise. Nice shot though.
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