Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Workers who were witnesses provide new perspective on Michael Brown shooting

3 hours ago • By Jeremy Kohler jkohler@post-dispatch.com > 314-340-8337 and Robert Patrick rpatrick@post-dispatch.com >



Among the claims that ignited the fury over the fatal shooting of Michael Brown were that Ferguson police Officer Darren Wilson chased the unarmed teen on foot, shot at him as he ran away, then fired a barrage of fatal shots after Brown had turned around with his hands up.

Almost all of the witnesses who shared these accounts with media either knew Brown; lived at or near the Canfield Green apartments, where the shooting occurred; or were visiting friends or relatives there.

But there were two outsiders who happened to be working outside at the apartment complex on Aug. 9 — two men from a company in Jefferson County — who heard a single gunshot, looked up from their work and witnessed the shooting.

Both have given their statements to the St. Louis County police and the FBI. One of the men agreed to share his account with a Post-Dispatch reporter on the condition that his name and employer not be used.

The worker, who has not previously spoken with reporters, said he did not see what happened at the officer’s car — where Wilson and Brown engaged in an initial struggle and a shot was fired from Wilson’s gun.

His account largely matches those who reported that Wilson chased Brown on foot away from the car after the initial gunshot and fired at least one more shot in the direction of Brown as he was fleeing; that Brown stopped, turned around and put his hands up; and that the officer killed Brown in a barrage of gunfire.

But his account does little to clarify perhaps the most critical moment of the confrontation, on which members of the grand jury in St. Louis County may focus to determine whether the officer was justified in using lethal force: whether Brown moved toward Wilson just before the fatal shots, and if he did, how aggressively.

Beercat Loc: Central Coast of California

WOW! Anyone can say anything and not say who they are, interesting .......

What is even more interesting is why you took the bait or are making this stuff up.

There is a video that was given to the FBI early on, it will tell ......... stop with the story telling, just let the system work. If the officer is guilty he should be punished, if he isn't he is owed a bunch of apologies .......

phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

Twardlow is not interested in the truth, he only wants justice, according to him. What really happen is of no concern to Twardlow, only the end result he desires.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

"WOW! Anyone can say anything and not say who they are, interesting ......."
[In case you missed it, this is from the St. Louis Post Dispatch--a very responsible newspaper.

Also, both witnesses have met with the FBI and St. Louis County police department.

If anyone is making anything up, it will be well tested.]


"What is even more interesting is why you took the bait or are making this stuff up."

[I took the bait because I read more than UH, and I read more responsibly, perhaps than you. I challenge you to point out anything you think I made up.]



"There is a video that was given to the FBI early on, it will tell" [I don't know anything about a video, and would like to hear about it. Certainly such a video might tell a lot.]

"........ stop with the story telling". [Just pointing out a responsible newspaper article is not story-telling.]. "just let the system work."

"If the officer is guilty he should be punished," [Agree]. "if he isn't he is owed a bunch of apologies ......"

[Don't know he might be owed any apologies; maybe you can tell us.]


A lot people on this site have a great emotional investment in the narrative they jumped to when they first read about the shooting: some n----r f---ed with a cop, and got what he deserved!

As info comes out, they cling desperately to their original narrative, panicking when it is challenged.

We now have five or six eye witnesses, an audio tape, and possibly a video(???).

We don't know what else there might be.

If the prosecutor returns an indictment, we have a good chance of finding out fairly clearly what happened.

Samuraiz Loc: Central Florida

Sounds like you are projecting your feels since I have not noticed ANYBODY implying anything of the sort.

Go spread you hate somewhere else

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Boy, sensitive, ain't we?

I must have touched a tender nerve.

I'm not projecting my feels, I'm commenting on your feels, and you must feels pretty good to snap like that.

You have a pretty serious commitment to your narrative.

Remember this: "As info comes out, they cling desperately to their original narrative, panicking when it is challenged."

You just showed it in action...and how!

Now, I made an innocent summary of what we have, and you accuse me of spreading hate.

Please post what you think is hateful in my post.

Samuraiz Loc: Central Florida

Actually my plan was to react exactly like a liberal lefty that is way more concerned with a political agenda and not the truth.

How does it feel to receive the type of response that is generally given by the leftists? It was not entirely accurate because I left out the usual insult concerning you intelligence, or references about being off meds.

Do I expect truth or justice regarding the Michael Brown issue? No, however, I'm very disheartened that there are high profile factions that not only condone the destructive aftermath, but also feel it was warranted.


In all honesty, what you believe or do not believe is of no interest or consequence to me. I was just curious to see what response my post was going to receive.

You did not disappoint.

regards

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Don't believe you.

Samuraiz Loc: Central Florida

I'm not surprised.

WNC Ralf Loc: Candler NC, in the mountains!

Moved from the STL area about eleven years ago and ferguson police were always a bunch of bigoted a holes, most people avoid the area due to police harassment in the 60,s and70's. Just a bunch of bullies in uniform. So at this point I am more inclined to believe that the cop killed him in cold blood until proven otherwise.

Spindrift62 Loc: Dorset, England. U.K.

Must have been some harassment if people are still avoiding the area after 44 years! At this point I am more inclined to believe the officer shot Brown because he feared for his life 'until proven otherwise'.

yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon

You are drumming up racist hate.
Until an indictment is leveled,your post is nothing more than hateful wishful thinking.Grown up.

travelwp Loc: New Jersey

If he isn't, nobody will apologize, especially Sharpton and the media.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

I say again, please quote any statement I've made that is racist or hateful.

Please prove your point.

Can you define racism?

I say again, please quote any statement I've made that is racist or hateful.

Is it just possible that you project your own racial feelings, then blame me?

dukester Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

I think multiple post-mortem exams established that Brown was shot six times, the last two to the head being fatal. I'd be curious to know how one would support a belief that a trained police officer, with weapon in hand, at more than two arm lengths away, after the third or fourth hit on an unarmed individual, would actually then be in fear for his life. Really?