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Aug 1, 2014 12:13:51   #
spphoto Loc: Long Island,N.Y.
 
I subscribe to CC and found that adobe had a new photoshop application called Photoshop CC 2014 which was in my application folder .This is not an update but a new application .I found I had to uninstall Photoshop CC to use this application

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Aug 1, 2014 12:24:11   #
jimni2001 Loc: Sierra Vista, Arizona, USA
 
I never had to uninstall CC to use mine. I still have CS6, CC, and CC2014 and they all work.

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Aug 1, 2014 13:00:03   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Did not have problem either kept both for a couple of days then deleted the regular CC.

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Aug 2, 2014 06:13:10   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
spphoto wrote:
I subscribe to CC and found that adobe had a new photoshop application called Photoshop CC 2014 which was in my application folder .This is not an update but a new application .I found I had to uninstall Photoshop CC to use this application


You are absolutely allowed to continue to use CC after installing CC2014 - there are a few features that have been removed and Adobe recognizes that some photographers use them, so they do not require you uninstall CC.

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Aug 2, 2014 06:44:38   #
mldavis2
 
Removed? Interesting, because it has been Adobe's policy to retain all manner of older plug-in features that have been superseded by newer and better algorithms for accomplishing the same thing. I suspect that if @Gene51 is right, that it has something to do with Adobe's decision to re-write the menu coding using html in CC2014 which has rendered most commercial plug-ins that use the menu inoperable as well. This is a strong indication that you should retain copies of CS6 and CC on your computer.

How's that pay-forever subscription, continuous update workin' for y'all now?

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Aug 2, 2014 08:07:31   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
mldavis2 wrote:
Removed? Interesting, because it has been Adobe's policy to retain all manner of older plug-in features that have been superseded by newer and better algorithms for accomplishing the same thing. I suspect that if @Gene51 is right, that it has something to do with Adobe's decision to re-write the menu coding using html in CC2014 which has rendered most commercial plug-ins that use the menu inoperable as well. This is a strong indication that you should retain copies of CS6 and CC on your computer.

How's that pay-forever subscription, continuous update workin' for y'all now?
Removed? Interesting, because it has been Adobe's... (show quote)


Actually, all the plugins I've been running since CS6 are all working fine without any issues. When I installed CC2014, I merely copied all the plugins from CC to their respective new locations in CC2014 - Topaz, Nik, DXO, OnOne, Lucis Art, Photomatix, Portrait Pro, Photokit Sharpener, Athentic Perfectly Clear, and all of my actions and others I've downloaded along the way - So to answer your question - It's working flawlessly - and the software is better than ever, certainly a big improvement over CS6, which I still have on my system, but have no use for anymore. The obvious enhancements are there, new functionality and all, but the biggest improvements are behind the scenes - it just "works" better. Improvements are coming faster, the development cycle has been cut in half it seems. And unlike previous updates which where usually bugfixes and some demoware for new ideas, the stuff actually works.

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Aug 2, 2014 08:57:29   #
Capture48 Loc: Arizona
 
mldavis2 wrote:
Removed? Interesting, because it has been Adobe's policy to retain all manner of older plug-in features that have been superseded by newer and better algorithms for accomplishing the same thing. I suspect that if @Gene51 is right, that it has something to do with Adobe's decision to re-write the menu coding using html in CC2014 which has rendered most commercial plug-ins that use the menu inoperable as well. This is a strong indication that you should retain copies of CS6 and CC on your computer.

How's that pay-forever subscription, continuous update workin' for y'all now?
Removed? Interesting, because it has been Adobe's... (show quote)


All my plugins work fine, and you can keep previous versions. There is no need to uninstall anything.

Gotta love the CC naysayers, probably the same folks that fought the digital revolution!!

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Aug 2, 2014 09:08:29   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Capture48 wrote:
All my plugins work fine, and you can keep previous versions. There is no need to uninstall anything.

Gotta love the CC naysayers, probably the same folks that fought the digital revolution!!


I have yet to meet a CC naysayer who has any experience with the program. Every former naysayer I know, including myself, is quite happy with the way things are going. But then again, they adhere to the Ptolemic model of the universe and many are members of the Flat Earth Society - yes there actually is such a thing - http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/

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Aug 2, 2014 09:26:51   #
minniev Loc: MIssissippi
 
mldavis2 wrote:


How's that pay-forever subscription, continuous update workin' for y'all now?


Works great for me. New versions work as planned, plugins moved easily, everything up and running on both computers in new version in less than 10 minutes without a hitch.

Though I fussed about the billing model initially, I changed my mind when they offered up the photographer's bundle at a reasonable price, and I'm relieved not to have to fork out a pile of money at one time (especially now that I'm retired). It's half the cost of my newspaper subscription and I get a lot more fun out of CC. Come to think of it, I believe I'll let the newspaper go...

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Aug 2, 2014 09:31:22   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
minniev wrote:
... Come to think of it, I believe I'll let the newspaper go...
Funny but sad... Printed press needs our support... YOUR support.

I gave up on its decades ago, I read someone else's news paper days later if ever... :oops:

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Aug 2, 2014 09:49:34   #
mldavis2
 
Buy what you like and like what you buy. My CS6 was paid for ($169) a long time ago. There is nothing in CC that I can't do in CS6, and Adobe doesn't have monthly access to my bank account or my personal information. Enjoy. Those who ridicule those of us who refuse to support and encourage subscription-based software have not reached the end of the road yet. Ask yourself what it would cost if every program you have installed on your computer demanded a monthly fee for access. The objection is with subscription-based software in general, not CC itself which I'm sure is a fine product - a minor and insignificant superset of CS6. It's the principle, not the product.

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Aug 2, 2014 09:53:37   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
mldavis2 wrote:
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As far as I know this not about 'ridicule'.

About 'superset'... You are dismissing too many things in that statement.

When it comes to 'principles'... The trouble with that is it is always someone else same as 'morality'...

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Aug 2, 2014 10:24:37   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
mldavis2 wrote:
Buy what you like and like what you buy. My CS6 was paid for ($169) a long time ago. There is nothing in CC that I can't do in CS6, and Adobe doesn't have monthly access to my bank account or my personal information. Enjoy. Those who ridicule those of us who refuse to support and encourage subscription-based software have not reached the end of the road yet. Ask yourself what it would cost if every program you have installed on your computer demanded a monthly fee for access. The objection is with subscription-based software in general, not CC itself which I'm sure is a fine product - a minor and insignificant superset of CS6. It's the principle, not the product.
Buy what you like and like what you buy. My CS6 w... (show quote)


Subscription vs license purchase vs taxes = no brainer

licenses are considered capital expenses and depreciated over 36 months - subscriptions are expensed as they are incurred - so, in effect, if you remain current with upgrades, its actually cheaper to subscribe in most cases.

Besides, yes, there are things you can do in CC2014 that cannot be done, or done easily in CS6. Best to try it out and see for yourself. Or not.

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/versions.html?PID=2159997

I use a tablet, smart objects, layer comps, focus masking, content aware operations, upsampling (which I used to have to use genuine fractals or its incarnation in OnOne plugin), perspective warp (I do some architectural and other photogrpahy where this is a complete godsend), Smart Sharpen (more aggressive sharpening without the edge "glow"), Camera Shake filter (for those "almost right except for the coffee effect" images), and using Camera Raw as a filter - oh, and it makes better use of the machine resources to run faster and more efficiently. Yeah, you'd hardly recognize it - faster - leaner - better. There are other new features that I don't use, but the are there if you need them. Makes total sense to at least look at it to see if makes any sense, especially since it is cheaper than perpetual license, in the long run.

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Aug 2, 2014 10:34:58   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Your logic talks you and others like you into a corner, on a false premise.

Using the expression "subscription-based software" ignores the comparison and the value between (1) paying a large lump-sum of money periodically for upgrades to software and (2) renting the software on, say, a monthly basis.

Regarding Adobe Photoshop, the first approach involves receiving occasional updates to the software between versions of it, say between CS5 and CS6, and then shelling out a boatload of cash for the latest, upgraded version.

The second approach involves automatically receiving updates AND upgrades as they become available while renting Photoshop (including Lightroom) together for as little as $9.99 per month.

In this comparison, cost represents only part of the equation.

Another part goes to keeping up with and using the latest innovations in features and functions. This dynamic one cannot escape unless partial to enjoying the status of a dinosaur.

Again regarding Photoshop CC, Adobe offers these improvements:

1. Camera Shake Reduction: This filter adjusts a given image for the slight blurring effect that results from movement of the camera during the taking of the photograph. This movement can happen from two sources -- one the photographer or the environment affecting the camera position or two the internal vibration from the slap of the mirror in a DSLR.

Image stabilization in general reduces if not eliminates the external sources of movement that cause image blurring.

The vibration from mirror slap CSR addresses. It removes the slight blurring effect from this slap vibration. The inherent sharpness of the lens optics then reveals itself. One has to see the result of CSR to appreciate its visual improvement in the image.

Often, in my experience, the resulting image sharpness suffices for most purposes. Yet I will say the Nik Collection offers a filter called Sharpener Pro 3: (2) Output Sharpener which adds additional sharpness for a nice crispness in the image.

2. Camera Raw Filter. Photoshop now allows going from the Photoshop editor back to the Camera Raw Filter (Adobe Camera Raw) at any time during the editing process. One does not have to preserve the Smart Object status of a layer for this purpose. Nearly all the features and functions of ACR become available for applying to an image. This one improvement alone enhances the power and flexibility of Photoshop all the more.

I could go on but decline to do so. I prefer to ride the wave of progress in doing digital photography.

Please note that I am a user of Photoshop CC and not a shill for Adobe.

Good luck.
mldavis2 wrote:
Buy what you like and like what you buy. My CS6 was paid for ($169) a long time ago. There is nothing in CC that I can't do in CS6, and Adobe doesn't have monthly access to my bank account or my personal information. Enjoy. Those who ridicule those of us who refuse to support and encourage subscription-based software have not reached the end of the road yet. Ask yourself what it would cost if every program you have installed on your computer demanded a monthly fee for access. The objection is with subscription-based software in general, not CC itself which I'm sure is a fine product - a minor and insignificant superset of CS6. It's the principle, not the product.
Buy what you like and like what you buy. My CS6 w... (show quote)

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Aug 2, 2014 10:37:36   #
Capture48 Loc: Arizona
 
mldavis2 wrote:
Buy what you like and like what you buy. My CS6 was paid for ($169) a long time ago. There is nothing in CC that I can't do in CS6, and Adobe doesn't have monthly access to my bank account or my personal information. Enjoy. Those who ridicule those of us who refuse to support and encourage subscription-based software have not reached the end of the road yet. Ask yourself what it would cost if every program you have installed on your computer demanded a monthly fee for access. The objection is with subscription-based software in general, not CC itself which I'm sure is a fine product - a minor and insignificant superset of CS6. It's the principle, not the product.
Buy what you like and like what you buy. My CS6 w... (show quote)


More misinformation spouted by the uninformed. First Adobe has access to the same information on me that they have on you. You had to register your copy of Adobe to get it working. They do have my Credit Card number, but so does every company who has ever swiped it, just like they have yours. So be careful, prudent with your information - by all means. But paranoid!

If every software company I have demanded a monthly license, I would simply have less software. The subscription model is not new it's been around since the dawn of software. Have you ever read your license agreement? If you did, you would realize you don't own CS6 either. Adobe only licenses you to use it, and can revoke that license at any time. You're no better off than I am with Adobe. The perception that you are is only your mind deluding you.

I use the Adobe subscription model because it makes PSCC affordable to the masses. I get the latest and greatest, and it costs less than when I bought full versions of PS for $895 and upgraded it every few years. The cost is actually cheaper.

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