D7100 vs D800E DX
Aug 1, 2014 08:29:57 #
I wanted to reafirm to myself which was better; D7100 or D800E in the DX mode.
The following images are 1.0X screen shots of images shot with each camera. Didn't think the original files would load or could be viewed by everyone. If that is not so, I can post them
Both shot with Nikon 85mm f/1.8 lens at 1/1000 and f/5.6. The lighting is bounced from the ceiling with a SB800 flash.
Both cameras mounted on a tripod the same distance from the subject, triggered with wireless remotes.
The files are NEF with no adjustment (straight from the camera) viewed in View NX2.
Original file sizes and ISO:
D7100 file (1) 25.8 MP ISO 500
D800E file 17.5 MP ISO 800
I had both cameras on ISO auto which may give the D7100 a slight advantage, but probably not significant.
You be the judge. Comments encouraged.
The following images are 1.0X screen shots of images shot with each camera. Didn't think the original files would load or could be viewed by everyone. If that is not so, I can post them
Both shot with Nikon 85mm f/1.8 lens at 1/1000 and f/5.6. The lighting is bounced from the ceiling with a SB800 flash.
Both cameras mounted on a tripod the same distance from the subject, triggered with wireless remotes.
The files are NEF with no adjustment (straight from the camera) viewed in View NX2.
Original file sizes and ISO:
D7100 file (1) 25.8 MP ISO 500
D800E file 17.5 MP ISO 800
I had both cameras on ISO auto which may give the D7100 a slight advantage, but probably not significant.
You be the judge. Comments encouraged.
Aug 1, 2014 08:44:32 #
joer wrote:
I wanted to reafirm to myself which was better; D7100 or D800E in the DX mode.
Original file sizes and ISO:
D7100 file (1) 25.8 MP ISO 500
D800E file 17.5 MP ISO 800
You be the judge. Comments encouraged.
Original file sizes and ISO:
D7100 file (1) 25.8 MP ISO 500
D800E file 17.5 MP ISO 800
You be the judge. Comments encouraged.
Thanks for this test. Both are great photo's.
7100 cropped sensor is what I shoot.
I know it has less light available. I have wondered
how much less photo your getting.
As a non-professional photographer I can't see
paying more for a camera. This is very interesting.
:thumbup:
Aug 1, 2014 08:45:52 #
IMO - I would set the ISO the same and re-shoot - then i would consider it a fair comparison -
The exposure is significantly different -
The clarity appears to be the same, but would like to see with the same exposure
With the higher pixel count on the 800 and and higher ISO, it gives the 800 an advantage over the 7100...
The exposure is significantly different -
The clarity appears to be the same, but would like to see with the same exposure
With the higher pixel count on the 800 and and higher ISO, it gives the 800 an advantage over the 7100...
Aug 1, 2014 08:57:09 #
The fiber on the hat in the second image looks very slightly sharper to me-so close it could be my imagination, so the point is lost.
More to the point--I don't use the DX mode when shooting with my 800E.
More to the point--I don't use the DX mode when shooting with my 800E.
Aug 1, 2014 09:04:21 #
joer wrote:
Well,...Comments encouraged.
Nice try but there are problems here:
Different ISO and different exposures.
EXIF is gone.
Significant shift in colors. Which one is closet to reality?
Then there is the unspecified file format of (un) or compressed NEF?
Are the NEF bit depth both set the same way?
THAT will affect the data kept by each camera (and affect the size).
Aug 1, 2014 09:15:25 #
joer wrote:
I wanted to reafirm to myself which was better; D7100 or D800E in the DX mode.....
......Original file sizes and ISO:
D7100 file (1) 25.8 MP ISO 500
D800E file 17.5 MP ISO 800
I had both cameras on ISO auto which may give the D7100 a slight advantage, but probably not significant.....You be the judge. Comments encouraged.
......Original file sizes and ISO:
D7100 file (1) 25.8 MP ISO 500
D800E file 17.5 MP ISO 800
I had both cameras on ISO auto which may give the D7100 a slight advantage, but probably not significant.....You be the judge. Comments encouraged.
The first one is so far out of focus i can't compare anything.
Could you shoot them over, in focus with the same ISO and post originals?
Aug 1, 2014 09:23:59 #
Thanks for this Joer.
After looking at your trial pix:-
If the D800E is better, and that is a big 'if', the margin is so slim that it is not worth worrying about in my opinion. Heck, I would rather buy more glass with the saving in price!
Shelback's comment about ISO is a good point and appears to favour the D7100.
It's a beautiful, slightly overcast day and I'm off with my D7100.
Pierre
After looking at your trial pix:-
If the D800E is better, and that is a big 'if', the margin is so slim that it is not worth worrying about in my opinion. Heck, I would rather buy more glass with the saving in price!
Shelback's comment about ISO is a good point and appears to favour the D7100.
It's a beautiful, slightly overcast day and I'm off with my D7100.
Pierre
Aug 1, 2014 09:25:32 #
I assume the first one was shot with the D7100, the iso was a little lower. Also looks like it was in vivid.
Aug 1, 2014 09:26:14 #
PierreH wrote:
Unusual first name: Pierre, unless you are French... Translates to Peter but also means stone in French......Pierre
Oops Ontario, Canada...
Aug 1, 2014 09:27:13 #
RichieC
Loc: Adirondacks
2 has a lot more detail.. note fuzz in air and fiber resolution in knit. You have chosen a crop, and a subject not really particularly telling nor challenging.
The D800 isn't magic, making art of everything it is pointed at. In order to really see the difference, you'd need to choose something particularly challenging, using the best lens (which isn't any dx lens) , with a tripod and attention to proper/careful technique. These small details now made available to the sensor, the D800 is able to make use of ... lesser cameras will not to the same extent.
When listening to a Stradivarius in the hands of a normal 12 year old student, you will hear a normal 12 year old sound. And you'd say "see, she doesn't sound any better with the million dollar instrument". Then put it into the hands of practice and technique and Itzhak Perlman can get every quality available in that instrument to come out... Not a perfect analogy, but you get the idea.
You can use the D800 any way you wish, but unless you follow these rules, it is no better or worse then any other camera.
The D800 isn't magic, making art of everything it is pointed at. In order to really see the difference, you'd need to choose something particularly challenging, using the best lens (which isn't any dx lens) , with a tripod and attention to proper/careful technique. These small details now made available to the sensor, the D800 is able to make use of ... lesser cameras will not to the same extent.
When listening to a Stradivarius in the hands of a normal 12 year old student, you will hear a normal 12 year old sound. And you'd say "see, she doesn't sound any better with the million dollar instrument". Then put it into the hands of practice and technique and Itzhak Perlman can get every quality available in that instrument to come out... Not a perfect analogy, but you get the idea.
You can use the D800 any way you wish, but unless you follow these rules, it is no better or worse then any other camera.
Aug 1, 2014 09:41:48 #
Not sure what the point of this is. I would not purchase one of the best full frame cameras on the market to shoot in cropped mode.
Aug 1, 2014 13:32:49 #
Thanks for the replies, most were interesting.
My reply:
Why? To satisfy my curiosity. Also to help me decide if I want to keep the D7100.
Why shoot DX with the D800? Normally not but there are situations when it makes sense.
Just moved from DX to FX and you want to use your DX lenses, at least long enough until its practical to replace.
You are at a shoot and for whatever reason you are short on memory. Could save the day.
You want to speed up the frame rate.
Different exposures? Not really. Same FX lens, light source, shutter speed, aperture, and auto focus. Had I adjusted to ISO the results would still be different. These sensors are different and handle light differently. Now I know exactly how much and don't have to guess at.
Even though a monitor is not the best media for evaluation on a decent high resolution calibrated one, there is a noticeable difference.
There is quite a bit of information here if you look objectively. My opinion is the D800E is better. Your opinion may very.
The test may not be perfect, but then, I don't do perfect. Do you?
My reply:
Why? To satisfy my curiosity. Also to help me decide if I want to keep the D7100.
Why shoot DX with the D800? Normally not but there are situations when it makes sense.
Just moved from DX to FX and you want to use your DX lenses, at least long enough until its practical to replace.
You are at a shoot and for whatever reason you are short on memory. Could save the day.
You want to speed up the frame rate.
Different exposures? Not really. Same FX lens, light source, shutter speed, aperture, and auto focus. Had I adjusted to ISO the results would still be different. These sensors are different and handle light differently. Now I know exactly how much and don't have to guess at.
Even though a monitor is not the best media for evaluation on a decent high resolution calibrated one, there is a noticeable difference.
There is quite a bit of information here if you look objectively. My opinion is the D800E is better. Your opinion may very.
The test may not be perfect, but then, I don't do perfect. Do you?
Aug 1, 2014 14:10:02 #
amehta
Loc: Boston
I don't think a 1.5x difference in pixels is usually significant, that includes 36 <--> 24mp (D800/D610, for example) or 24 <--> 16mp (D7100/D7000 or D7100/D800 DX). Based on that position, I don't think the D7100 does anything that the D800 can't do.
Aug 1, 2014 15:09:11 #
joer wrote:
Thanks for the replies, most were interesting.
Why? To satisfy my curiosity. Also to help me decide if I want to keep the D7100.
My opinion is the D800E is better. Your opinion may very.
The test may not be perfect, but then, I don't do perfect. Do you?
Why? To satisfy my curiosity. Also to help me decide if I want to keep the D7100.
My opinion is the D800E is better. Your opinion may very.
The test may not be perfect, but then, I don't do perfect. Do you?
Lucky you. If I had an 800E I would run
and never look back. I must say that the model
taken by the 7100 has a much nicer tan.. Haa.
Amazing how much more light it lets in.
I'm guessing your 800 night shots are incredible.
Have fun.
Aug 1, 2014 16:55:06 #
joer wrote:
I wanted to reafirm to myself which was better; D7... (show quote)
second image clearly has more detail
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