Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world

I have a solution.
The people in Gaza outlaw and drive out the radical element Hamas.
They keep their kids out of schools and other places where Hamas has solders and weapons.
They repudiate the Hamas edict that Israel has no right to exist.
They show in words and deeds that they are good neighbors and not enemies of the Israelis.

They, the people in Gaza have to set themselves free from the criminal element in their midst. They will get trade and work permits for their showing of goodwill and eventually learn to live in peace. They, the people of Gaza have to want to make peace or reap what they sow.

They harbor terrorists criminals and bear the consequences.
So easy to do it right.

Shakey Loc: Traveling again to Norway and other places.

I wish I could agree with you, Jackinthebox. Hamas are terrorists, no question. They don't want Israel to exist, no question.
But Hamas does not allow any criticism of it's actions within Gaza. They kill people who criticise them. The majority of civilians in Gaza are children. They have no means of ridding themselves of Hamas. The general population live in fear of Hamas reprisals and in terror of Israel's powerful weaponry.
I have sympathy for the ordinary people on both sides. No mother wants to see her children slaughtered or maimed. In Gaza the people are packed into a tiny area, which is shelled by artillery and tank fire There is no where that is safe.
In Israel the fear is from tunnels under the wall, which allows Hamas to penetrate into Israel to kill and kidnap. Hamas rockets are next to useless.
If Israel's army cannot stop Hamas how in the world are the unarmed people of Gaza supposed to overthrow Hamas.
Let's hope this current round of peace talks in Egypt get somewhere and create a permanent ceasefire.

Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world

I do agree with you in principle. It is the people of Gaza that have to set themselves free though.
The early settlers in the USA had to fight the almighty ruthless British to get their freedom. Every other free country has a similar story.

Hamas knows their rockets are not useless. That is why they fire so many and why the Israelis spend a fortune on their wall of steel and the citizens hide in bunkers.
Most atrocities take place in Gaza and the solution is also in Gaza.

Many Germans still feel bitter that the allies dropped so many bombs on Germany but it had to be done to eventually stop the madness.

tom kf4wol

I agree the French People (Underground Fighter's) did big damage to the Nazi's during occupation...in my mind more than the French Army...

The People who want Freedom must stand up for it in Gaza, Iraq and in fact in America...

Freedom is never Free some one pays a price...same with Welfare and all other things in life...One Town in California now requires a permit to take photos...(some first Amendment city huh) where is the ACLU on that one...

Israel is faced with a tough task when Cowards like Hamas would use Children, Women, Hospitals, Schools as their shields and Forts.

I support the Israeli's right to Life and Freedom as much as I support my own life and the Freedom of my Nation America.

When NYC was attacked on 911, What did the majority of Americans want...Revenge and someone to answer for those Murder's....so what is different with Israel defending itself.

Cease Fire's with Hamas is nothing but "Reloading Time for Hamas"

No I am not of the Jewish Faith...so no need to chew me up on that account...chew all you wish on my opinion's it is currently approved and covered under the First Amendment.

Adios.

tom

NeilL Loc: British-born Canadian

That would piss off Allah.

Shakey Loc: Traveling again to Norway and other places.

You present a persuasive argument, Jackinthebox. I don't disagree with you. Our early settlers did not fight alone, they got direct military aid from France, Spain and Holland who were also at war with the British at that time. (A fact not taught much in our schools.) The people of Gaza are cut off from any aid, even food aid from Turkey was turned away by Israel's navy. Did Israel suspect that arms could have been on that ship? Yes, probably; I'm sure I would have had the same suspicion if I were an Israeli.
However, there is a growing international opinion that Israel's shelling and targeting of civilian areas is disproportionate. Is this opinion justified? I don't know even though I get my news from various news channels besides the American networks. Everyone has an opinion but no one has a solution that will stop the slaughter or change attitudes.

Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world

Ahah, do I detect some confusion or an attempt to shift the blame?
Of course, even as most do not particularly like the French, they receive credit where it is due. They financed the revolution with money and man power. Not much is known about Spain or Holland's involvement. More Spanish involvement could have given us a better language. Without the French, who knows, we could still be settled with an official inferior language like well.....ahum......Ah... English.

The ship from Turkey left the people without their food aid, because they refused a weapons inspection. They chose no food aid over a customs inspection. Again the way you put it sounds insincere.

Of Course our own liberal media and disastrous President are 'two faced', financing both sides while criticizing Israel for defending themselves. Only Fox news is telling it fair and balanced. You decide.

Again, there is a growing international opinion that Israel is fully justified to neutralize the attacks by the radicals with Hamas using some innocent people, often gladly, as human shields.

Be careful, the nose on you avatar is growing.

Thank you for your participation.

bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.

a better solution, bring all the Jews from Israel to new jersey and declare it a Jewish state. decent water , no desert, and no terrorist.

magicray Loc: Tampa Bay, Florida

Don Imus had a similarly great idea. Let all of the Israelis move to Kansas which is 8 times larger than Israel.

My thoughts on this are fivefold:

1) It would put Kansas on the map for those Americans who have never heard of it.

2) The additional businesses created would help the economy.

3) The Israeli Army could patrol our southern borders.

4) Leaves the Muslims alone to annihilate each other.

5) Some of those Israeli chicks are HOT!

Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world

And if they don't want to?

Shakey Loc: Traveling again to Norway and other places.

Jackinthebox, you come across as pro-Israel in your writing and possibly anti-British. I am hard pressed to understand why. The British Balfour Agreement brought about the creation of the State of Israel and the British have supported (as has the US) Israel with arms and finance since 1947. a link for your perusal: http://middleeast.about.com/od/israelandpalestine/f/me080508.htm

Regarding the ship from Turkey being turned around by Israeli forces. This appears to have been a sad episode for which Israel apologised. Link: http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/139076/michael-j-koplow/why-israel-and-turkey-got-back-together

There are extremist on both sides, Israeli and Palestinian, who would gladly act as human shields. Perhaps you have witnessed the extremists who held a rally in Israel demanding that the Israeli army wage total war. (Do they really want to kill every man, woman and child in Gaza?) Was that on Fox news? Perhaps not. I saw a report of a young American in Israel who tried to discuss the problem with Israeli extremists. He was jeered because he dared to present an argument for peace. I saw it on France 24, and saw it again on BBC Worldwide.

As to Spanish, a beautiful language, which I regret to say I speak very badly. However my daughter-in-law is Mexican and went to University in the US. She has promised to coach me as soon as time allows after the birth of my new grandson, a very handsome young man. As you know English is recognised as the business language of the world, and is the first language in many countries. So perhaps it's just as well that our version of it is our mother tongue.

Finally, regarding the participation of Spain and Holland in the American Revolution. Here are links which may prove interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War
http://www.netplaces.com/american-revolution/an-international-war/spain-and-the-netherlands-join-the-war.htm
http://www.11thpa.org/dutch-arms.html

Please try to restrain your personal remarks (LOL) although I was amused by your comment on my avatar's nose. I assure you it will not grow longer.

Good discussion, I enjoy your comments.

John Stanier Loc: Driffield UK

Take a sheet of paper and draw a line down the middle.
On the left hand side write all the concessions Israel have made to the Palestinians in the last 20 years.
On the other side list the concessions made by the Palestinians. There won't be many!

Shakey Loc: Traveling again to Norway and other places.

This is true. A good example is the release of one captured Israeli soldier in exchange for one thousand Palestinians.
Hamas, to their shame, take but do not give unless the agreement is massively in their favor.

What I find shameful on Israel's part is the seizure of Palestinian land in the past, and the wilful bulldozing of homes and crops on the stolen land.

I don't foresee the dove of peace flying over those warring lands anytime soon.

WereWolf1967 Loc: Knoxville, TN

OK then, I guess it's high time we stop pissing off Allah and Piss on him and his radical followers.

Damn, I gotta get more Bailey's for my Joe.

WereWolf1967 Loc: Knoxville, TN

Oh he's flying over them but he's taking a great big dump on them.