WereWolf1967 Loc: Knoxville, TN

People,

We can argue back and forth about Creationism versus Bible-ism or whatever you want to call it. As I have posted in the past, I was raised in a very strict Roman Catholic Household and attended Parochial schools from Kindergarten thru my Sophomore year in High School, so I've had my dose of the Bible version that all good Catholics and Christians should blindly accept. However, no two people will agree on these two theories. Over my 67 years on this miserable planet I have been able to postulate my own theorem. I call it Art's Theorem of oneness. It states very simply that Given any and all circumstances and other theories, everything can be broken down into two words, "SHIT HAPPENS"!!!
Think about it, believe in it, accept it. This even superceeds Murphy's Law, that states If something untoward can happen, it will. Art's Theorem encompasses even that!!

I'm so smart I scare myself. AND, I haven't even had one mug of Bailey's and Joe!!! I've been on straight F**K You Up Joe!!!
It's a mind altering experience. This transcends even Political Party Lines!!! It Transcends Male/Female/LGBT differences.
This is Life altering!!!

Damn, All this incessant ranting I think I Sharted myself!!!
You all know, when you go to let a good one rip and something wet comes out instead. Off to the Head.

Bazamac Loc: Manchester, UK

Thank you. That's a really interesting read.

StrangerHart Loc: Whitetop, VA

You have just proven my point with explicit clarity by insinuating that "we" who might disagree with you on this point were here centuries ago, and that the only errors made by mankind were the fault of anyone who happens to believe in creation, and rather than address any specific facts, chose to resort to calling all in disagreement "ignorant." Brilliant!!!
My sincere thanks to you for so aptly demonstrating by example what might have taken hours to explain otherwise.
Sadly, if there is evolution, a lot of it's proponents don't appear to have been affected in any significant way.
And as much as I appreciate your help here, I must say it is quite a stretch to put Darwin in the same sentence as Galileo. But then that was your call and certainly adds insight into your perspective on reality.

WereWolf1967 Loc: Knoxville, TN

PEOPLE,

Please read my response on this. It's somewhere on this site.

StrangerHart Loc: Whitetop, VA

A princess kisses a frog, "poof" it instantly turns into a prince. Of course that's a fairy tale.
A princess kisses a frog and "3.7 billion years" later it turn into a prince and that's evolution.

Hey, I think I'm starting to get it!

Thanks so much.

Bazamac Loc: Manchester, UK

I specifically referred to "your lot", not "you". By that I meant religions in general and Christianity in particular. I also did not call you "ignorant". I referred to "dark clouds of ignorance" which is a pretty apt description of medieval thinking about the nature of the world, I'd say. I didn't say, either, that the only errors made by mankind were the fault of creationists, though I think it's pretty evident that religions have tended to try and suppress new ideas which might undermine their tenets throughout history. Your inability either to comprehend or to represent accurately what I said really does you little credit and my post certainly does not demonstrate what you claim.

Why is it "quite a stretch" to put Galileo and Darwin in the same sentence? They were both hugely influential thinkers and scientists who profoundly changed the way we view the world but who were ridiculed (and in Galileo's case, persecuted) by the religious establishment at the time.

NewGuy

Evolution is a theory, but when you say "just a theory", you are implying the wrong meaning of the word theory.

Here are the various definitons for the word Theory (from the Merriam Webster online dictionary):

Full Definition of THEORY


1: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another


2: abstract thought : speculation


3: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <music theory>


4a : a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn>

b : an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory <in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all>

5: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light>


6a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation

b : an unproved assumption : conjecture

c : a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject <theory of equations>

See theory defined for English-language learners »

Definition 5 is the appropriate one, but you are using 6a or 6b.

I wish fundamentalists would learn at least a little about evolutuon before attacking it. I recommend "The Greatest Show on Earth" by Richard Dawkins. This book provides a very readable comprehensive overview of the evidence for evolution.

StrangerHart Loc: Whitetop, VA

As I recall, Galileo presented each of his hypothesis based upon repeatable, demonstrable evidence, hence it was science.
Darwin, while admittedly influential, primarily through the assistance of others, took isolated circumstances and reached faulty conclusions. That is not science. That is an assumption!

WereWolf1967 Loc: Knoxville, TN

OK,

Here's a video on how the Dinosaurs went extinct and mammals took over.

Death of the Dinosaurs
Attached file:
(Download)

Bazamac Loc: Manchester, UK

Well that's a very strange summary of the work of a man who was a meticulous researcher and recorder of his findings and who used that work to formulate a theory of the origin of species through natural selection which has stood the test of time and which has been shown to be in line with mountains of subsequent evidence gathered through a huge range of methodology and fields of study. If you can point me to one piece of evidence which invalidates his argument, I'd be fascinated to see it. And what on earth do you mean by "primarily through the assistance of others"? All science is, or should be, a collaborative process and Galileo himself was hugely influenced by the work of Copernicus, for example. But Darwin was a genuine scientist, who made no assumptions but based his ideas on the evidence before him.

You have not responded to the rest of my post so I assume that you agree with it?

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qygy14tC3I An atheist scientist coverts to Christianity.

Bazamac Loc: Manchester, UK

And your point is?

Bazamac Loc: Manchester, UK

Oh, and this is hardly news. He became a christian years ago. There are plenty of religious scientists - doesn't mean that they're correct. At least as far as a belief in the supernatural is concerned. Their science may be impeccable.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

http://www.wayoflife.org/database/from_evolution_to_creation_lumsden.html

FROM EVOLUTION TO CREATION: THE TESTIONY OF DR. RICHARD LUMSDEN

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

They are more correct than you are.