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Jan 26, 2012 22:59:39   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
forbescat wrote:
Let's play a game...I bet I can open a thread and discern my interest level in 2 seconds. Can you beat me?


I can do it in one and a half at times. 8-)

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Jan 26, 2012 23:00:58   #
jkaye65 Loc: Chico, CA
 
AK Dreamer wrote:


My point exactly!!! You have to open the post before knowing what it pertains to. And yes to another on this thread my time is valuable to me. A lot of fine photography is presented by individuals here along with discussion groups and advice. I just don't find HDR entertaining or worth my time and would really like to not open the post containing the medium.


I have yet to see an HDR image on here that didn't say "HDR....." in the title.

I open up lots of posts in this forum and find that I don't care for 75% of what I see. Whether it's the photo subject or the quality of the work. All I do then is exit out and move on. I'm not offended and I don't feel the need to have the subjects that I "dislike" hidden away in some dark corner so I don't have to take the chance of seeing them again. Every photographic subject or style is disliked by someone. Can't build a seperate room for each one, can we. BTW, I've yet to see a photo on here, taken by a Nikon camera, that I feel is worthy to be here.

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Jan 26, 2012 23:04:01   #
AK Dreamer Loc: Alaska & Nevada
 
forbescat wrote:
Let's play a game...I bet I can open a thread and discern my interest level in 2 seconds. Can you beat me?


Probably not because I believe the OP deserves more than that amount of time. I'm not trying to be critical of an individual's chosen art form, I'm just suggesting they would probably get more reviews and comments if they had their own area to display their works. And for those of us that do not appreciate the art form, we wouldn't have to be subjected to it. When one goes to the market for a gallon of milk, he doesn't go to the produce section. Maybe a bad anology but to the point. I personally do not care for the art of Picasso therefore I don't go to an exhibit of that great master's work.

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Jan 26, 2012 23:04:20   #
forbescat
 
jkaye65 wrote:
AK Dreamer wrote:


My point exactly!!! You have to open the post before knowing what it pertains to. And yes to another on this thread my time is valuable to me. A lot of fine photography is presented by individuals here along with discussion groups and advice. I just don't find HDR entertaining or worth my time and would really like to not open the post containing the medium.


I have yet to see an HDR image on here that didn't say "HDR....." in the title.

I open up lots of posts in this forum and find that I don't care for 75% of what I see. Whether it's the photo subject or the quality of the work. All I do then is exit out and move on. I'm not offended and I don't feel the need to have the subjects that I "dislike" hidden away in some dark corner so I don't have to take the chance of seeing them again. Every photographic subject or style is disliked by someone. Can't build a seperate room for each one, can we. BTW, I've yet to see a photo on here, taken by a Nikon camera, that I feel is worthy to be here.
quote=AK Dreamer br br My point exactly!!! You... (show quote)


LOL, I love it! I have Nikons and a sense of humor!

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Jan 26, 2012 23:18:52   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
jkaye65 wrote:
AK Dreamer wrote:


My point exactly!!! You have to open the post before knowing what it pertains to. And yes to another on this thread my time is valuable to me. A lot of fine photography is presented by individuals here along with discussion groups and advice. I just don't find HDR entertaining or worth my time and would really like to not open the post containing the medium.


I have yet to see an HDR image on here that didn't say "HDR....." in the title.

I open up lots of posts in this forum and find that I don't care for 75% of what I see. Whether it's the photo subject or the quality of the work. All I do then is exit out and move on. I'm not offended and I don't feel the need to have the subjects that I "dislike" hidden away in some dark corner so I don't have to take the chance of seeing them again. Every photographic subject or style is disliked by someone. Can't build a seperate room for each one, can we. BTW, I've yet to see a photo on here, taken by a Nikon camera, that I feel is worthy to be here.
quote=AK Dreamer br br My point exactly!!! You... (show quote)


I left mine out with a new memory card and left it on. Came back & checked. Nothing.

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Jan 26, 2012 23:21:51   #
jkaye65 Loc: Chico, CA
 
AK Dreamer wrote:
..... I'm not trying to be critical of an individual's chosen art form, I'm just suggesting they would probably get more reviews and comments if they had their own area to display their works. And for those of us that do not appreciate the art form, we wouldn't have to be subjected to it. When one goes to the market for a gallon of milk, he doesn't go to the produce section. Maybe a bad anology but to the point.


Not a bad anology at all. The problem is.......where do you draw the line. I don't mind looking at HDR's, but images by Nikons drive me nuts, birds out a window are worthless (to me) and out of focus shots are a joke. Can we find a way to make sure I don't have to view those?

Consider UHH your grocery store. The titles of each post are your aisles. You enter, then pick your aisle. If you choose them all, you are going to be there awhile and will probably be disappointed. But only you chose to view every aisle........so blame no one else.

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Jan 26, 2012 23:25:28   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
AK Dreamer wrote:
forbescat wrote:
Let's play a game...I bet I can open a thread and discern my interest level in 2 seconds. Can you beat me?


Probably not because I believe the OP deserves more than that amount of time. I'm not trying to be critical of an individual's chosen art form, I'm just suggesting they would probably get more reviews and comments if they had their own area to display their works. And for those of us that do not appreciate the art form, we wouldn't have to be subjected to it. When one goes to the market for a gallon of milk, he doesn't go to the produce section. Maybe a bad anology but to the point. I personally do not care for the art of Picasso therefore I don't go to an exhibit of that great master's work.
quote=forbescat Let's play a game...I bet I can o... (show quote)



I think you are missing the point, which is everyone likes or dislikes certain types of photos, meaning everyone opens a thread that they would rather have passed by at times. So it will be impossible and ridiculous to divide the forum into a multitude of sections simply because someone may be momentarily "subjected" to something they do not like.

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Jan 26, 2012 23:38:59   #
forbescat
 
I think it is deeper than that. There seems to be an attitude of intolerance developing that is truly ugly and repulsive. From selective coloring to HDR, there are people who think their views are the only ones that count and therefore do a put-down of other members and their work. Get a grip - this is not rocket science - it's a forum for everybody.

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Jan 26, 2012 23:53:55   #
Sher Loc: Colorful Colorado
 
forbescat wrote:
And I would suggest a separate section each for landscapes, moon shots, flowers, bees, grandchildren, dogs, cats, horses, bears, pictures that need to be cropped, pictures that need to be color corrected, pictures by people under 50, pictures by people over 50, etc. Come on, folks. Is your time so valuable that you can't open a thread and move on because you aren't interested. I do it all the time.


I agree......

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Jan 27, 2012 00:00:21   #
Sher Loc: Colorful Colorado
 
Bmac wrote:
AK Dreamer wrote:
forbescat wrote:
Let's play a game...I bet I can open a thread and discern my interest level in 2 seconds. Can you beat me?


Probably not because I believe the OP deserves more than that amount of time. I'm not trying to be critical of an individual's chosen art form, I'm just suggesting they would probably get more reviews and comments if they had their own area to display their works. And for those of us that do not appreciate the art form, we wouldn't have to be subjected to it. When one goes to the market for a gallon of milk, he doesn't go to the produce section. Maybe a bad anology but to the point. I personally do not care for the art of Picasso therefore I don't go to an exhibit of that great master's work.
quote=forbescat Let's play a game...I bet I can o... (show quote)



I think you are missing the point, which is everyone likes or dislikes certain types of photos, meaning everyone opens a thread that they would rather have passed by at times. So it will be impossible and ridiculous to divide the forum into a multitude of sections simply because someone may be momentarily "subjected" to something they do not like.
quote=AK Dreamer quote=forbescat Let's play a ga... (show quote)

Maybe what we need to do is have a warning when we post our picture instead of a title.

Warning: Anyone who will be offended by children with dogs in a park in front of flowers in HDR do not open......

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Jan 27, 2012 00:03:46   #
AK Dreamer Loc: Alaska & Nevada
 
It appears this thread is beginning to bring out the best of some individuals therefore I won't waste my time or the time of others responding beyond this comment: Throughout the thread I've stated that while I don't appreciate the subject of this thread, that I believe there should be a place for others to exhibit their work. I also stated in my first comment words relating to HDR being done correctly. I've seen very few that were submitted that appeared to have been done correctly or enhanced the original photo. I knew when posting this thread that it would raise the ire of some and it appears that in that respect I succeeded. No apologies from here...I still do not care for poorly done HDR or Orten. Thanks for the comments but I believe this thread needs to terminate before it evolves into something other than what the thread was intended.

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Jan 27, 2012 04:16:08   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
forbescat wrote:
I think it is deeper than that. There seems to be an attitude of intolerance developing that is truly ugly and repulsive. From selective coloring to HDR, there are people who think their views are the only ones that count and therefore do a put-down of other members and their work. Get a grip - this is not rocket science - it's a forum for everybody.


Nobody thinks that.

They DO however believe that it's unfair to say "awesome!" when the photo is a garish-haloed-out-of-focus-badly-composed picture.

When they are truthful then they are labeled "intolerant" or "rude" or whatever.

The problem is that when an image just stinks...if one says as much then they are jumped on with "well that's YOUR opinion! I love it!"

News flash...this IS a forum for everyone..even those who disagree with you! :)

And that may be so but that doesn't help anyone develop better photography skills.

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Jan 27, 2012 05:58:21   #
georgevedwards Loc: Essex, Maryland.
 
You got it right-you are an old stick in the mud.
AK Dreamer wrote:
It seems to me more and more photo enthusiasts are trying their hands at HDR and asking for comments. I've only commented to one individual and will refrain from doing so in the future as I believe most of these attempts at art are nothing short of disastrous. Good photos are turned into images worthy of nothing but the circular file. Out-of-focus photos are now stated to have been created using the Orton effect. Perhaps I'm an old stick in the mud but unless done properly HDR is a waste of everyone's time. By now you can see I am not a fan of HDR and am strongly in favor of natural photography. All that having been said and probably provoking many, I can support different art forms and believe expanding one's knowledge base is commendable but folks...HDR & Orton is not for me. What I'd like to see is a seperate section for HDR & Orton Effect added to this forum (like the macro section) so that when one opens a thread expecting to view realistic photos he/she is not confronted with cartoonish or garrish images. I'd like to know what others think about this and please don't nail me to the cross. I don't advocate not displaying the work of those that believe HDR & Orton are legitimite art forms, I would just like to have them in a collection where one can avoid them at will. Convince me I'm wrong...an old dog can learn new tricks but it may take a while.
It seems to me more and more photo enthusiasts are... (show quote)

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Jan 27, 2012 06:14:07   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
jkaye65 wrote:
You have to open the post before knowing what it pertains to.


It would help if posters were more specific with their titles. Something like, "Question," doesn't give any info at all. If I'm not interested in a topic, I just leave it.

As for HDR and Orton, I have been one of the askers. Although I have had SLRs since the 70's I am just beginning to take photography more seriously - with the help of this forum.

I had never heard of HDR and Orton until recently. I'm always up for learning something new - HDR, Orton, PS, Elements, Lightroom. I spend time every day playing with these programs and others.

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Jan 27, 2012 06:21:44   #
Nobbyness Loc: Tallahassee, FL
 
Another section isn't needed. Educating people on how to use subjects, however, is another matter entirely.

"Need info on HDR" is very much self-explanatory. Needless to say, as this is a button-presser for you there's no need to ever open such a thread.
"What bag to travel with?" Very clear what's being sought.
"HELP!!!!" is utterly meaningless. I almost never waste my time with such posts.

Personally (and I'm not sure if there's a mail client version of UHH as I only ever use the web interface) the subject line determines whether something is worth looking at or not.

Meaningful and descriptive subjects let me make an informed decision and so I can act accordingly. Vague, hysterical and uninformative subjects generally get ignored. My time is valuable, as is the info I'm willing to share, and I don't direct it at people who won't take the time to help me to help them.

To conclude, if anything would help, it would be an addition to the FAQ to guide on how to get the help you seek. It's a long-standing problem on the interwebs that people simply don't know how to ask questions, and meaningless subjects decrease ones chances of getting what is being sought.

Everything out here may be 'free', but there's no free lunch. If my time and willingness to assist (did I mention for free?) isn't respected by a requestor thinking through what they need and having the courtesy to put a little effort into helping me to help them, I'll just move right along. I lose nothing along the way and don't fry cycles needlessly.

Finally, I read How To Ask Questions The Smart Way about 15-20 years ago (Google it). It's as valuable today as it was then.

Pat.

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