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Jul 18, 2014 17:03:20   #
steve40 Loc: Asheville/Canton, NC, USA
 
GeorgeH wrote:
New York Steve wrote:
So, using your special little brand of pointy-headed "logic", every Christian is a murdering scumbag because of the existence of Eric Rudolph.

Thought so; thanks for straightening that out...




Umm...I think that New York Steve was saying that by your "logic" which holds that because of the actions of a few all are tainted, if applied to Christian extremists would brand all Christians extremists, which they aren't, any more than all Muslims are extremists.

Your most recent post, quoted above, makes NO sense whatsoever. Would you care to clarify, if that is possible??
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Well first if you are a Muslim, and follow the Koran you are an extremist. You just haven't blown up anything so far. Anyone who blows up buildings and such actions cannot be a Christian, even if he goes to church 7 times on Sunday.

Why don't you people give up trying to paint everyone as black as you are, and go to bed. Or learn to tell the difference between good, and bad.

Oh I forgot, the Bible does say in the last days, they shall call good evil, and evil good. Meaning, you don't know which end is up. :)

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Jul 18, 2014 17:15:54   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
GeorgeH wrote:
Not to mention that fine Christian pair who blew up the Federal building in Oklahoma City killing innocent men and women ... and children in the daycare center.

We here in the United States can breed our own terrorists. We don't need help from anyone from abroad.

Oh, and let's not forget the KKK, that fine, upstanding Christian anti-Catholic, anti-Jewish, anti-African American bunch of thugs and murders.


What makes you call McVeigh a Christian? Did he yell out "I do this in the name of Jesus Christ" as he detonated the bomb?

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Jul 18, 2014 17:22:36   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
steve40 wrote:
Most people don’t know anymore, what separation of church and state even means. It has been twisted out of proportions by God haters, until all meaning has been lost.

#1. separation from state means the state would not sponsor nor require any certain brand of Christianity/religion as to mandatory attendance. As England did in the middle ages, the reason the Puritans came to America in the first place.

#2. That the Church would not influence nor by threat! try to influence affairs of government, as the Catholic church did in the middle ages. And is also the way a Muslim state is run.

It has nothing to do with the right to display religious icons, or the 10 commandments, or public prayer. That was started again, by the God haters, which this country is full to the brim of. Maybe they should go to a Muslim country, they hate God also. But unfortunately require you to love Mohammed. Or they will take your head off, the Christians in this country don’t require such. You are free to hate God if that’s what you desire, he will take vengeance for that.

So we should be free to display as Christians, our love for the things of God. Who is that hurting ???. And has nothing to do with violating, separation of State and Church.

It looks to me like this country is no longer the home of the brave, and the land of the free. But filled with sniveling cowards, and would be enslaving bigots. Who are sitting back, and allowing something far worse than the Christianity they hate, to creep in. :thumbdown: But I guess!, you just get what you deserve in the end. :)
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steve....The other thing that the current view of the separation of Church and State does is to eliminate the free discussion of religious topics, which was not the intent of the framers of the Constitution. Free discussion between Believers, Atheists, Deists, and whatever, is what made this country great.

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Jul 18, 2014 17:25:34   #
GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
What makes you call McVeigh a Christian? Did he yell out "I do this in the name of Jesus Christ" as he detonated the bomb?


Here's a quote from the Wikipedia article on Timothy McVeigh: Political views and religious beliefs

McVeigh was a registered Republican when he lived in Buffalo, New York, in the 1980s, and had a membership in the National Rifle Association while in the military,[82] but may have voted for Libertarian Party candidate, Harry Browne, in the 1996 presidential elections.[83] McVeigh was raised Roman Catholic.[84] During his childhood, he and his father attended Mass regularly.[85] McVeigh was confirmed at the Good Shepherd Church in Pendleton, New York, in 1985.[86] In a 1996 interview, McVeigh professed belief in "a God", although he said he had "sort of lost touch with" Catholicism and "I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs."[84] In the 2001 book American Terrorist, McVeigh stated that he did not believe in Hell and that science is his religion.[87][88] In June 2001, a day before the execution, McVeigh wrote a letter to the Buffalo News identifying himself as agnostic.[89] Before his execution, McVeigh took the Catholic sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick.[90]

I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

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Jul 18, 2014 17:27:00   #
New York Steve Loc: St. Augustine, Florida
 
steve40 wrote:
Well first if you are a Muslim, and follow the Koran you are an extremist. You just haven't blown up anything so far. Anyone who blows up buildings and such actions cannot be a Christian, even if he goes to church 7 times on Sunday.

Why don't you people give up trying to paint everyone as black as you are, and go to bed. Or learn to tell the difference between good, and bad.

Oh I forgot, the Bible does say in the last days, they shall call good evil, and evil good. Meaning, you don't know which end is up. :)
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You're a hypocrite.

Where in the Koran does it say that Muslims should blow themselves up in markets and crash airplanes into skyscrapers?

But, again, using your "logic": All Christians are murderous scumbags. How do I know this? Well, because a Christian detonated a bomb in Atlanta. The rest of the Christians polluting my earth just haven't blown anything up yet...

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Jul 18, 2014 18:15:23   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
GeorgeH wrote:
Here's a quote from the Wikipedia article on Timothy McVeigh: Political views and religious beliefs

McVeigh was a registered Republican when he lived in Buffalo, New York, in the 1980s, and had a membership in the National Rifle Association while in the military, but may have voted for Libertarian Party candidate, Harry Browne, in the 1996 presidential elections. McVeigh was raised Roman Catholic. During his childhood, he and his father attended Mass regularly. McVeigh was confirmed at the Good Shepherd Church in Pendleton, New York, in 1985. In a 1996 interview, McVeigh professed belief in "a God", although he said he had "sort of lost touch with" Catholicism and "I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs." In the 2001 book American Terrorist, McVeigh stated that he did not believe in Hell and that science is his religion. In June 2001, a day before the execution, McVeigh wrote a letter to the Buffalo News identifying himself as agnostic. Before his execution, McVeigh took the Catholic sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick.

I'll let you draw your own conclusions.
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He sounds like me, I was raised catholic and still believe in the principles that I learned while attending church as a child but am absolutely non practicing and certainly not a christian, I am agnostic and when I have thoughts regarding faith they are centered more in thoughts of a deity. I highly doubt that McVeigh was religious at all at the time of the bombing, it is inconceivable to me.

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Jul 18, 2014 18:26:06   #
Hoot72 Loc: Lexington, KY
 
Eugene wrote:
Hey George..It isn't in the Constitution.
Please read.
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2010/10/1920/


Yeah, and I would add: http://www.hnn.us/article/132813

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Jul 18, 2014 19:27:04   #
steve40 Loc: Asheville/Canton, NC, USA
 
New York Steve wrote:
You're a hypocrite.

Where in the Koran does it say that Muslims should blow themselves up in markets and crash airplanes into skyscrapers?

But, again, using your "logic": All Christians are murderous scumbags. How do I know this? Well, because a Christian detonated a bomb in Atlanta. The rest of the Christians polluting my earth just haven't blown anything up yet...


The Koran does not indicate how to kill the infidels, it leaves that up to the imagination of the individual. It just says that a good muslim should, and that would definitely include you.
Also as I said anyone who blows up someone cannot claim to be a Christian, there is your hypocrite. Or maybe it is you don't know how - to identify who or what a Christian is.

I would refrain from calling you names, but to say you are terminally stupid is not name calling, just identifying an infection. Shalom

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Jul 18, 2014 21:07:26   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
GeorgeH wrote:
New York Steve wrote:
So, using your special little brand of pointy-headed "logic", every Christian is a murdering scumbag because of the existence of Eric Rudolph.

Thought so; thanks for straightening that out...




Umm...I think that New York Steve was saying that by your "logic" which holds that because of the actions of a few all are tainted, if applied to Christian extremists would brand all Christians extremists, which they aren't, any more than all Muslims are extremists.

Eric Rudolph, to remind you, bombed the Atlanta Olympics and was captured after eluding authorities in the wilds of the Smoky Mountains. He was Christian, and had been at one time a member of a Christian Identity movement. These folks advocate turning the US into a theocracy, under their control, of course. No worry about church/state separation then!

Your most recent post, quoted above, makes NO sense whatsoever. Would you care to clarify, if that is possible??
New York Steve wrote: br So, using your special li... (show quote)


What makes you think this Eric Rudolph is a Christian? Is it because he said that he was? I think not!

You have a very twisted mind on who or what you think a Christian is.

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