terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii

Please check your CS 6 and other versions of Photoshop and the other CS 6 packages such as In Design, Illustrator, etc. and make sure the patch did not put the trial of Adobe CC on your computer also ( CS^ is still ok but when I tried to click on a photo in my collection it opened in CC not CS 6 and the following happened.)Last night when I went to use my Photoshop CS 6 up comes Photoshop CC2014 it seems that the latest update to my CS 6 Package also installed the CC edition and guess what last night my phone and DSL connection went down and lo and behold up pops CC stating that I need an internet connection to use it, so you are sort of wrong give it a test and see and as a warning to anyone else who may just have CS 6 or other versions check to make sure that you do not have CC installed also with this latest update. I uninstalled all of the 13 gigs of CC this morning and spent over 20 minutes doing so, seems Adobe is getting Sneaky and installing things we do not want. CS 6 now works nicely again. so just due to that happening if light room goes the way of CC I for one will use other software that I physically have. Do not trust these large companies they never were and never will be our friends making software for us it is all about how much money they can drain from our pockets, anyone who is trusting them to be doing something nice to make your life easier is mistaken please be wary and careful the information they are getting from you is massive, I was a Navy Inelegance Photographer in Vietnam and way back then you would really be surprised at what information and the ways it was obtained would boggle your mind. Now I am not saying that anyone that has bought into CC did something wrong, I am saying that you are being tricked into thinking they are a good company and your friend

Rongnongno Loc: FL

And we are being invaded by killers tomatoes.

terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii

Possibly, might be a lot of folks may want to test CC and will be glad it is already download, but I like to have that choice, and that proved it you need the internet access to use CC not a bad thing but for me I want a solid piece of software no pun here, I know that we have an agreement when we buy the program and install it that basically we are just paying for the right to use it.

CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver

Well I think that is what our economy is based on. It is exactly my goal as a photographer - to get the client to spend as much money as they can. I want to do it honestly and I want to give value for what they buy, but I want them to spend as much as possible. There is no point during the sales session that I tell them to stop buying. Of course when you phrase it, "...drain from our pockets," it appears you just want to put a evil spin on basic business.

And you do NOT need an internet connection to use Photoshop CC. Used it a bunch last week with no connection. More bad information about the Adobe Cloud.

terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii

You are right Captain but the key word is honestly, in other words you would not give me a print on a newer version of paper when I specifically asked you for one specific paper, that is just what Adobe did with this update that's why I will not trust them with my information or photos and pay rent on something that is only internet based they should give us an option and the folks who wish to us this system maybe get some sort of reward like cash off, and those of us who wish to remain on the solid side maybe would not get that incentive, does that make sense at all.

terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii

No that happened to me last night it would not let me on until I had a internet connection this is why I said for them to check and try it out, and it does chap my hide that everyone who thinks this is a great thing do not look any further than their own computer, like someone said advertising is already showing up next you will have to pay more to get the version that has no advertising and slows your computer down, no Adobe needs to get the message that most folks are not happy with this change and if they keep it up I am not alone in hoping they tottaly fail.

terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii

Adobe is not a basic business would you say Microsoft and apple and Hewitt Packard are just basic business no they are all huge company's that are all working to make us live and act a certain way and every one of them have extremely large government contracts and yes they all do drain the poor mans pockets coming out with this rental thing is a massive con to make folks think they are getting a deal by month to month count it up buy Photoshop and light room use them for a minimum 3 years before you upgrade I go for 4 or 5 with Photoshop. Then tell me the petty little bells and whistles matter over that 3 year period.

CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver

You DO NOT need a constant connection to use PhotoshopCC. It does need to check occasionally to verify the subscription, but that is once a month and there is a grace period.

You obviously have a huge grudge against Adobe and you are entitled to your opinion, but tens of thousands of people are signed up and think the cloud is a great feature.

One more time: One does not need a continuous connection to the internet to use the software - your images are not stored anywhere you do not want them, If your subscription lapses you can just buy Elements or Lightroom to open any PSD files. If you save in TIFF or JPG then ANY software will access them.

terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii

Well it happened to me maybe it wanted to check first and if you read the connection is not my complaint the complaint it once you see the light and cancel that's it your program does not work and I got that straight from Adobe. The CS 6 version I have will run on my computer till I take it off, and as well 10s of thousands do not want your cloud why argue about it if you want it go ahead and pay for it but the purpose that I put this up was to let those who don't want it or have very little hard drive space left need to check and make sure that this was not pushed on them as it was me, and yes I dislike companies who try and invade the fabric of our everyday lives. Why do you defend them so much and think they are heaven sent.

terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii

And you have to buy a program because you have nothing to show for all you spent great deal huh like saying here is your wedding photos give me this much a month and I will take them back when you do not pay me this amount because I own them you only get to look(kind of foolish is it not) They are one of the companies that develop all this software that watches our every move don't you get a little tired of that I do.

CharlesA Loc: New Jersey

I've been using Photoshop for about 12 years and upgrading occurred every other version. It was very simple, if you saw enough new features to make the move, you went ahead and did it. Adobe put it out and the final decision was made by the user.

This new model is the way companies love to operate now - automatic payment debiting from your bank account. This eliminates overlooked monthly payments totally and Adobe and others have a steady stream of cash on hand. Before, they had to sit and wait for the user to decide to buy new or upgrade or opt out altogether. They now control the software, updates and cash-flow. They are in control. You don't like it, simple, buy CS6. You like it, simple, rent CC.

Take a young person just starting out in photography. He's working a 9-to-5 but he would love to someday make money from his photography. Now tell him he could either pony up $625 for CS6 (more if he's into video) or would he prefer $9.99/month for the same (updated) software. This is the Adobe-carrot that has made their stock do well. OTOH, there are those of us who didn't blink an eye when we were asked to pony up $200 to go from CS4 to CS6 after previously purchasing the $625 full version.

There are two distinct camps on this issue and I'm 100% sure they will NEVER see eye-to-eye. But commerce is changing rapidly because of the internet and if you don't like how a company is operating, just take your money elsewhere. Complaining here will not change anything but it will allow you to let off steam, which is a good thing, BTW.

Charles

terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii

That is exactly my point thank you. If you go for the way they have it now great and Adobe should make it even cheaper for those doing this and they should also put out a version even if it is a down load only but I could keep it on a disk and put it on my computer as I please like it has been done, if I would like to put it on a new computer I would need to deactivate it and then place it in the new machine. Maybe if we do that we would lose something that the cloud users would get such as the cloud, and upgrades meaning versions, not up-dates as it a fix.but pushing it by sneaking it onto my computer along with an update, well that is just plain wrong and very suspicious and bad business. I know many cannot come up with that sort of cash upfront, and I for one feel there should be a lower income payment so everyone can experiance the quality items that are available. I know that is what elements is supposed to be but it is stripped down and if an aspiring pro wants a program Elements is not i. I do think On-One is not far off from becoming a Photoshop replacement. as is Corel photo program, and serif though Serif has a steep learning curve if someone is just getting into it. I am not trying to scare anyone away but if you have a version that just got the new update check your computer and see if they installed the trial of CC like on mine, I just checked my desktop and sure enough same thing as on my laptop there was CC and yep it did say that it needed an internet connection before I could go on, that is not right a company that does this is not a good company sorry but it is true.

CharlesA Loc: New Jersey

Terry,

Maybe they're asking for a connection just to "activate" your CC-demo, no?

And the part about the "carrot" Adobe has going for it, just add up say $10 per month. For the price of full-version CS6, my math gives me 62 months of CC. That's over 5 years of use. This has ultra-high appeal to people just starting out in digital photography and professionals who really do need the latest features. Many long-time Photoshop users do not fit into those two categories, myself included, and we do not like the idea of "renting" software. The "cloud" is the future, I reckon, and Adobe and others have staked their claims on it and the control that comes along with it. The customer is either in or out of that loop.

Charles

DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX

You are absolutely correct. I don't understand some of these nay-sayers. They seem to deal in misinformation and dislike our free enterprise system. I like Adobe's Creative Cloud and I use it on and off line. I store my files on a separate drive(s). I have belonged to this service since the beginning and I have other Adobe products like Illustrator and Designer and they work just as well.

CharlesA Loc: New Jersey

David,

With all due respect, the majority of people really don't care how you access Photoshop or the other Adobe products. It has no bearing on my work-flow whatsoever. And the free-market system is just that - we are free to buy a product or service or not buy it.

I have made my feelings known on Nikon abandoning NX2. Do I "hate" Nikon for this major change in their proprietary products? Of course not, I have to accept it and either run NX2 or find alternatives. I look at Adobe the same way, contrary to your post about "nay-sayers". I either buy in to it or I don't. As of now, I don't. Simple, no hard feelings on my part or Adobe's or yours, I hope.

The subject matter of this thread had to do with Adobe cramming a CC-demo down the throat of Terry, and he didn't care for it one bit. There is a trend these days for software companies to secretly add on bloatware to their downloads, so he had the same type of reaction to the way Adobe sort of "forced" it upon him.

Don't get your knickers in a bunch about CC, it is the way of the future and we are not necessarily bad people or insanely angry or spiteful or "haters" for being at the end of the line. My use of CS6 should have NO bearing on your use and enjoyment of CC. A year or two from now when I buy a Nikon D910 or D6 and NX2 no longer recognizes their RAW files, I may just jump into CC in order to use ACR. So one can never say never.

Regards,
Charles