Robert Graybeal Loc: Myrtle Beach

citizens are defenseless!!!!

http://gunsnfreedom.com/17-years-after-gun-bans-in-australia-police-say-gun-crime-is-out-of-control/

magicray Loc: Tampa Bay, Florida

Article: "In the last 12 months alone, over 3,300 people were charged with gun crimes, and over 9,000 guns have been confiscated."

magicray: I wonder if the 3,300 people charged with gun crimes included those who were caught CARRYING illegal firearms or were these crimes committed USING firearms?

rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA

"Gun control does NOT take guns out of the hands of criminals, it only disarms the law abiding, while making everyone less safe."

A quote from Andrew Leigh, the assistant treasury spokesperson for the Labor Opposition in Australia:

"Overall, the firearms homicide and firearms suicide rates had been trending steadily downwards through the 1980s and early 1990s, but the fall accelerated after the (gun) buyback. Analyzing variations in the amount of guns turned in for buyback between states, we again found the same result: in states where more firearms were bought back, there was a bigger drop in gun deaths. In the decade and a half since the Australian gun buyback, the number of firearms per person has stayed constant, and gun deaths have remained thankfully low.”

Read the article for yourself, rather than made up "news" on gunsnfreedom.com:

http://rt.com/usa/165384-obama-australia-gun-law/

gawler Loc: rural south australia

police in australia in the last couple of years have been targeting outlaw motorcycle gangs and other gang members, most of the guns taken have been hidden in members homes , and have bee Stolen from legal gun owners homes . maybe if the were less legal gun owners there would be even less guns
young gangs seem to be the bigest problem here ,of which we have imported the culture from the USA along with KFC and Bigmacs
but we dont have 20000 gun deaths a year
and Australia did not ban guns we just stopped people owning milatry style guns and automatic firing guns
so we still have guns and we still have gun crime see how the two go together
but mass shootings seem to have stopped and that is what the laws were for so it WORKED
so to set the record straight we are not defenceless at all , we can own a shot gun or a bolt action rifle ect

Robert Graybeal Loc: Myrtle Beach

What amazes me the most is the gun grabbers inability to comprehend the facts:

The gun grabbers have blinders and are mentally frozen on GUN CRIME which will of course go down. Less guns = less gun crime.

When only criminals have guns and are unafraid of running into someone who is capable of defending themselves and/or their loved ones, TOTAL CRIME GOES UP!
This has been proven time after time in countries around the world and in cities across the United States.

gawler Loc: rural south australia

as i said before we in australia still have guns , we can still defend ourselfs , oh and yes we still have crime
all of australias gun related crime has gone down including the shooting of women and children by law abiding gun owning husbands in the family home ect
unless you are a really bad shot one does not need a auto matic style weopon for defense against a housebreaker a shotgun will do the job just fine
but the mass shooting of schools full of small children becomes much harder if you have to stop and reload
so maybe it is you that does not understand
my self i did not agree with australias gun buy back laws 17 years ago , but after seeing the results i have to say i was WRONG back then
dont get me wrong i dont care what you do in the USA not my kids , but please stop getting the facts wrong on our gun laws here in Australia

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

Self defence is not a legal reason to own a firearm in Australia. Hunting and sport shooting are. Your firearm will be registered, you will join a shooters club and undergo a safety indoctrination. Helps to keep the accidents down.

gawler Loc: rural south australia

you are correct Texcaster , but still means you have a gun at home is all i was saying , i think our gun laws work well

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

I inquired about getting a 410 at the cop shop. When asked why I wanted it I said " Brown Snakes!" The copper said " They're protected." I had to become a sport shooter.

whatdat Loc: Del Valle, Tx.

gawler: Very good comments. HOWEVER, you don't mention handguns. More gun crimes happen outside the home than in. I don't feel comfortable carrying a rifle or shotgun with me wherever I go for personal protection, as I would a handgun which is not so obvious and concealable. I know this sounds like a cliche (and I know law enforcement officers and have the utmost respect for the job they do), but they are not really the first responders; they are the second responders. The person needing to defend themselves is already on the scene and, therefore, the first responder.

I would like to add that I also feel very strong about training. Over here, in most states, you have to apply for and be approved for a concealed carry permit which requires you to have training and prove your proficiency and knowledge, which I strongly support.

bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona

How about the bad guys?
when they murder, they feed their victim to the sharks or crocs.
Poof, no proof.

Result,very low murder stats.

whatdat Loc: Del Valle, Tx.

Um, self defense is not a legal reason to own a gun in Australia. So, in that country you are just supposed to allow yourself to be attacked or killed if confronted by the bad guy? If you have not been in a situation of confrontation then maybe you don't understand. I'm old; I can't outrun a criminal on foot, so I guess it would just be my bad luck.

DickC Loc: NE Washington state

Just be glad you live in a country that has not taken away your guns!!! :-)

gawler Loc: rural south australia

the usa and australia are very differant , in australia we pay unemployment benifits until you find a job, if thats ten years you get paid for ten years , we have free health care for the poor , we have a minimum wage that allows people to earn enough to live on , free dental health for the poor ( waiting lists ) our current goverment is trying to undo some of these things , so i dont think we are in the same place as you guys

if you jump through hoops and join a pistol club you can own a hand gun but it is not legal to carry one
as others have said self defense is not a reason to own a gun in australia

correct me if i am wrong but i beleive the USA leaves the poor to fend for them selfs , does not have a decent mimium wage
no free health care , if this is the case i can see why you would need to carry a gun
we still have street crime but it is rare and i would have only been worried walking the streets a couple of times in my life here ( it is getting worse in recent years ) as more and more young people become unemployed and bored
australia has been shipping its jobs off to china for some time now , so if our goverments keep following the USA i may well need to own a gun two
but you are correct , if you are unlucky and get attacked in australia as an older person you are on your own

dljen Loc: Central PA

Gawler, you should see the shootings resulting in deaths and injuries from accidents. Many children are killed yearly because gun owners leave their guns lying around. They should be made to take safety courses but in the US, they have a mind set that they take guns everywhere they can. It's really sad.