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I don't believe in evolution
Apr 9, 2014 11:48:08 #
COI Jack
Loc: Missouri
LarJgrip wrote:
So let me understand what you're saying here Jack.... (show quote)
Let me put it this way. There is no way to prove either the existence or non-existence of a god, but, if there is one, it sure isn't anything that you worship.
Apr 9, 2014 11:49:30 #
Pepper
Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
COI Jack wrote:
Let me put it this way. There is no way to prove either the existence or non-existence of a god, but, if there is one, it sure isn't anything that you worship.
How could you possibly know any of that?
Apr 9, 2014 12:00:08 #
ole sarg wrote:
What evidence?
It is called faith because it is not based on evidence!
It is called faith because it is not based on evidence!
Historical/Scientific evidence, if you choose not to believe that, that is fine but you need to say why you don't believe in the evidence, then we can have a discussion.
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Apr 9, 2014 12:01:46 #
Pepper wrote:
It's called faith because it can't be "proved" to say there is no evidence is just a display ignorance.
Proof in the way you mean comes only in Mathmatics. Everything else is evidence and that includes science.
Apr 9, 2014 12:02:07 #
Pepper
Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
taffthetooth wrote:
Historical/Scientific evidence, if you choose not to believe that, that is fine but you need to say why you don't believe in the evidence, then we can have a discussion.
You want to have a discussion with ole sarge? Now that is funny. Ole sarge doesn't discuss anything he just makes proclamations.
Apr 9, 2014 12:11:42 #
Gone Off Shore wrote:
But as Barbara Ehrenreich said - "I don't believe in evolution; I'm more or less convinced by the evidence. I would like to put the whole idea of faith and belief away. Let's try to find out things. ..."
As for the rest, see my sig lines.
As for the rest, see my sig lines.
Religeon is dogma. There is no search for the truth. You either have faith or you do not. Science is about searching for the truth and finding the proof. Sometimes we don't know the truth. Ignorance does imply divinity.
Apr 9, 2014 12:15:46 #
COI Jack
Loc: Missouri
Pepper wrote:
How could you possibly know any of that?
Because all organized religion is man made.
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Apr 9, 2014 12:19:07 #
Pepper
Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
taffthetooth wrote:
Proof in the way you mean comes only in Mathmatics. Everything else is evidence and that includes science.
I can prove you'll get wet if I throw you in a lake, I can prove it will cause pain if I set fire to your pants, I can prove I own a car and on and on. There is evidence that the Bible is the Word of God but I can not prove it. There is evidence to support the "big bang" but no proof. You seem to want to make the issue about words and to what end?
Apr 9, 2014 12:20:38 #
Pepper
Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
COI Jack wrote:
Because all organized religion is man made.
Because all organized religion is man made that proves there is no God? You're kidding right?
Apr 9, 2014 12:24:11 #
Pepper
Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
COI Jack wrote:
Because all organized religion is man made.
BTW I don't accept your premise that all organized religion is man made but I don't have the time to debate that issue with you here.
Apr 9, 2014 13:01:11 #
" I believe in love and live my life accordingly "
Iris DeMent - " Let The Mystery Be "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlaoR5m4L80
All the agnostics say is that proof or disproof of a creator is unknowable.
Iris DeMent - " Let The Mystery Be "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlaoR5m4L80
All the agnostics say is that proof or disproof of a creator is unknowable.
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Apr 9, 2014 13:04:55 #
rpavich wrote:
So you believe irrational things?
Your signature line:
"The only thing i'm not certain about is that nothing is certain...
"
Which of course is a self-refuting statement...aka irrational, making no sense.
As for belief in Evolution; it is most certainly a belief, not based on scientific fact...actual science is interested in things that are observable, and testable; none of which describes beliefs in origins.
Your signature line:
"The only thing i'm not certain about is that nothing is certain...
"
Which of course is a self-refuting statement...aka irrational, making no sense.
As for belief in Evolution; it is most certainly a belief, not based on scientific fact...actual science is interested in things that are observable, and testable; none of which describes beliefs in origins.
You are flat out wrong. That there is evolution is a provable Scientific fact. And I will now show you that proof. When Penicillin was first used bacteria were exquistively sensitive to it. As penicillin was used more and more often a very small number of "bugs" by genetic anomly, became resistant and as a result could survive the killing effect of the antibiotic. However all that was needed to cure the infection was to increase the dosage. The bugs that were resistant passed this resistance to their offspring and as more and more sucseptable bugs ere killed off by higher dosages more and more resistant bugs survived so that eventually Penecillin became useless in any dosage to cure the infection. That is why penecillin is not used any more. Ever heard of MRSA. Methecillin Resistant Staph Aureous became a killer because Staph Aureous is no longer killed by the anitbiotic Methacillin by exactly the same process that penecillin became useless. Now admittedly this selection was Human Caused and therefore not Naural. Evolution is nothing more than Natural Selection . It is precisely the same process that has led to antibiotic resistance. Creatures that are susceptable to environmental changes die off. If they are lucky some of the organisms have a genetic mutation that allows them to survive As more and more of them survive and pass on this trait to their offspring so that the species can continue. If they are not so lucky the species becomes extinct. This then is Natural Selection. The more common term for this Natural Selection is EVOLUTION. Now just maybe you understand.
Apr 9, 2014 14:02:11 #
Robert Graybeal wrote:
All you atheists don't have anything to worry about.
You will all be together soon!
Which is better?
1. live your life believing in God just to die and find out you were wrong.
2. live your life not believing just to die and find out you were wrong.
You will all be together soon!
Which is better?
1. live your life believing in God just to die and find out you were wrong.
2. live your life not believing just to die and find out you were wrong.
Tell me: How you can make yourself to believe in something that your common sense is telling you it can not be true..? Can you fake faith..? If so will your hypocrisy save you..? At least if you die honest to yourself...you may have a chance if.....your creator is as just and full of love as it is believed by the believers. After all, He created everybody..no.?
Apr 9, 2014 14:09:26 #
Apr 9, 2014 14:10:43 #
Gone Off Shore wrote:
Pascal's Wager.
I don't play that game.
When you're dead, you're dead. Done. A tiny little insignificant bit of carbon.
Live life now.
I don't play that game.
When you're dead, you're dead. Done. A tiny little insignificant bit of carbon.
Live life now.
For you, at least right now, that makes perfectly good sense.
But............. what if................
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