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Mar 31, 2014 23:38:51   #
gtobey Loc: Beaverton, Oregon
 
Watching a video about the LR5 Printing Module I learned some about Softproofing. To investigate further I went to HP's site and looked for paper profiles for some of the papers I use. I was all over the HP site and even called support but no one I talked with had any idea what I was talking about. If someone has information about this area I would appreciate a Heads UP.

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Apr 1, 2014 01:42:42   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
Some paper manufactures have ICC profiles for their paper when used by certain models of printer. For all that softproofing to work you must first have a calibrated monitor and then you must have an icc profile for the paper you plan to use in your printer. Once you have that you can begin to softproof by telling LR5 which ICC profile you will be using and then playing with the color, color cast, black and white points etc. so that what you see on your monitor using the ICC paper profile will print as expected. This can be quite complicated and you might want to explore google and a few paper manufacturer web sites to see how they explain ICC profiles and color management. Also, you can use the help dialog in Windows 7 or 8 to see what Microsoft has to say about it.

gtobey wrote:
Watching a video about the LR5 Printing Module I learned some about Softproofing. To investigate further I went to HP's site and looked for paper profiles for some of the papers I use. I was all over the HP site and even called support but no one I talked with had any idea what I was talking about. If someone has information about this area I would appreciate a Heads UP.

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Apr 1, 2014 05:11:26   #
Searcher Loc: Kent, England
 
gtobey wrote:
Watching a video about the LR5 Printing Module I learned some about Softproofing. To investigate further I went to HP's site and looked for paper profiles for some of the papers I use. I was all over the HP site and even called support but no one I talked with had any idea what I was talking about. If someone has information about this area I would appreciate a Heads UP.


There is a slim possibility you already have the profiles.
Some of the printers I have come with profiles built into the accompanying software. Example, I bought an Epson Expression printer, installed it, opened LR5 and in the print Module under the heading of Print Job > Colour Management > Profile I found profiles for all the Epson papers available. These were not there until I installed the printer.

The same with both my Kodak and Lexmark printers (now both in the rubbish bin).

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Apr 1, 2014 06:29:10   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
What papers are you using?

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Apr 1, 2014 07:31:47   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
gtobey wrote:
Watching a video about the LR5 Printing Module I learned some about Softproofing. To investigate further I went to HP's site and looked for paper profiles for some of the papers I use. I was all over the HP site and even called support but no one I talked with had any idea what I was talking about. If someone has information about this area I would appreciate a Heads UP.


In the Develop module there is a little box at the bottom, a little left of center, labeled soft proof. Just check the box. If you have loaded the ICC profile for the paper you will use, the picture on your screen will approximate the final result.

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Apr 1, 2014 09:45:08   #
Mark7829 Loc: Calfornia
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
Some paper manufactures have ICC profiles for their paper when used by certain models of printer. For all that softproofing to work you must first have a calibrated monitor and then you must have an icc profile for the paper you plan to use in your printer. Once you have that you can begin to softproof by telling LR5 which ICC profile you will be using and then playing with the color, color cast, black and white points etc. so that what you see on your monitor using the ICC paper profile will print as expected. This can be quite complicated and you might want to explore google and a few paper manufacturer web sites to see how they explain ICC profiles and color management. Also, you can use the help dialog in Windows 7 or 8 to see what Microsoft has to say about it.
Some paper manufactures have ICC profiles for thei... (show quote)


I don't know how Lightroom soft proofs exactly as I always print via Photoshop. In Photoshop under VIEW you will find three selections, Proof Setup, Proof Color and Gamut Warning. Phtoshop defaults to CYMK and that should be deselected to another choice including your monitor's calibration profile if you calibrated. Then there is Gamut Warning, which I find most useful. Often times I will over saturate or change hues that are outside the abilities of my printer. As a result, Photshop will used formulas and guess the appropriate color within its ability to print.

The goal is to print the colors you see on the screen. That is easier said than done. Older printers do not communicate well with new systems. They often have a limited selection of colors and can't reproduce accurately.

Yes I calibrate my monitor and I use ICC paper profiles but use the Soft Proofing tools in Photoshop will help. I know CC and CS 6 have this ability. I can't remember if CS 5 did.

Ilford, a paper manufacture has a number of articles that can be found at http://www.ilford.com/en/support/printer-profiles/

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Apr 1, 2014 13:20:06   #
rebride
 
Looking for individual downloadable paper profiles for Hp papers. Good luck with that.
Because I have a still have a Hp printer and Hp program on my computer LR5 and other editing programs will pick up the Hp profile(s) for soft proofing and even printing on my Canon.
MT Shooter might know more on the subject. He uses Hp printer.

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Apr 1, 2014 14:03:30   #
Searcher Loc: Kent, England
 
Quote from: HP Support centre

"ICC Profiles and Pantone Tables

Get the right colors using ICC profiles and pantone tables. To see available ICC profiles and pantone tables for your printer, go to HP Business Support Center and look for resources available for your printer. "

http://h20565.www2.hp.com/portal/site/hpsc/

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Apr 2, 2014 19:08:38   #
Kristoes
 
"The goal is to print the colors you see on the screen. That is easier said than done."

I hope to be able to print the colors I see on my screen some day as well.

Thank you for your advice, very helpful thread!

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Apr 3, 2014 22:45:42   #
gtobey Loc: Beaverton, Oregon
 
I've learned a ton. First to achieve color Nirvana (Where monitor and printer look the same) you need BOTH the printer and the Monitor to be on the same page as far as color rendition goes. I thought telling LR5 about my paper characteristics could yield some benefit, but seems the monitor needs to be on the same page. I'm going to pause now and Upgrade my Samsung 2494 monitor. Cost wise I'm thinking about paying someone (Color Munki Guru??) to dial me in. It's to easy to throw money at something when I'm a few feet short of understanding all the parameters.

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