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Feb 21, 2014 08:31:44   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
rpavich wrote:
I took a portrait of myself yesterday to do an illustration of a two-light set up and only had my X100S available (which is a fixed 35mm equiv camera) so that's what I used.

A B&H hat! Now that's dedication!

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Feb 21, 2014 08:57:11   #
Dds82
 
It is well documented in portraiture photography that 85mm to 105mm ( according to Scott Kelby for one ) is the proper length for head shots. I use up to 150 mm and still like the results.
It's all about getting less distortion, and taking advantage of compression from long lens, which apparently is flattering to the human face.

Cheers,

Louis

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Feb 21, 2014 09:16:45   #
Rosanna Loc: Montana
 
Thanks for sharing this! I appreciate anyone who goes to the effort to "test" and share the results so Thank Ypu!

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Feb 21, 2014 09:49:47   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
jerryc41 wrote:
A B&H hat! Now that's dedication!


Gotta give equal time to the competitors!


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Feb 21, 2014 10:00:07   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
rpavich wrote:
Gotta give equal time to the competitors!

How about Amazon and ebay?

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Feb 21, 2014 10:00:21   #
rtrpics Loc: WV
 
a fair and balanced photographer... and a very good one, thanks

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Feb 21, 2014 10:00:48   #
Papa Joe Loc: Midwest U.S.
 
rpavich wrote:
I took a portrait of myself yesterday to do an illustration of a two-light set up and only had my X100S available (which is a fixed 35mm equiv camera) so that's what I used.

On another forum I made an off-the-cuff remark about how the X100S wasn't suitable for a head/shoulders portrait and someone said "it looks fine...I don't know why you'd say that..."

Well...that prompted me to dig through my flickr photos to find another shot of myself taken with a longer lens for comparison.

You might say that the 35mm is fine, if you didn't see a comparison shot so I've merged them together to illustrate what happens when you do.


Notice that in the shot on the left my ears are flattened against my head and almost not visible?

Notice how my face is sort of stretched and my nose looks more prominent in the shot on the left? (some people call this effect horse-face and that's what it looks like to me)

Even the basic shape of my face is different in each shot.

I hope you can see that the shot taken with the 85mm (while even this focal length is not optimum..I'd go longer if I was choosing a lens for this situation) is a much more pleasing look than the other one.
I took a portrait of myself yesterday to do an ill... (show quote)




Shows what I don't know. I'm sure you're right in your assessment Bob, but if I were asked to 'compare' the two photos, (without your comments), I doubt I ever would have noticed those differences you point out.

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Feb 21, 2014 10:23:40   #
Popeye33
 
Back in the old days of film and 35mm cameras, the 90mm lens was considered the best portrait lens (actually 87 1/2 mm). How that compares with our new digital cameras and sensor crops, I don't know.

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Feb 21, 2014 11:10:33   #
Dds82
 
Still the thinking today.....85mm and up

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Feb 21, 2014 11:49:34   #
sumo Loc: Houston suburb
 
RmcBUDDY wrote:
In these comparisons I like the 100mm and the 135mm with the 100mm being my favorite.


my fav also... :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Feb 21, 2014 11:56:33   #
OonlyBonly
 
rpavich wrote:
Well..I guess the issue of facial distortion in portraiture being minor would be a matter of opinion...I certainly wouldn't shoot anyone with a 35mm head/shoulders if that were how I made my living!


:thumbup:

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Feb 21, 2014 13:01:20   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
Great post .Thank you.

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Feb 21, 2014 13:59:38   #
georgevedwards Loc: Essex, Maryland.
 
Very interesting to see it proven in this thread, especially the shots of the girl by rpavich. But wouldn't the horse face be avoided by just stepping back with whatever lens you are using and cropping the picture later? With modern DSLR's having a lot of megapixels, this could fix the problem. After all, what really causes the horse face effect, and I didn't see it mentioned in a quick skimming of answers, is the distance between the subject and the camera, NOT the lens itself? Ok, RJM does mention it. But really, isn't that the main point, a different focal length does not cause this distortion, but the fact that you have to get closer to fill the frame. All lenses would show the same face at the same distance, only short focal lengths (below 50) would have smaller faces and longer focal lengths would have larger faces. This is the important thing to remember so you understand WHY it is happening. The lens itself does not make a big nose, getting close to the face does. It is all in the angle and perspective, closer objects are larger (the nose), the sides of the head are cut off(the ears) from view in a camera shot that is close to the face.
rpavich wrote:
I took a portrait of myself yesterday to do an illustration of a two-light set up and only had my X100S available (which is a fixed 35mm equiv camera) so that's what I used.

On another forum I made an off-the-cuff remark about how the X100S wasn't suitable for a head/shoulders portrait and someone said "it looks fine...I don't know why you'd say that..."

Well...that prompted me to dig through my flickr photos to find another shot of myself taken with a longer lens for comparison.

You might say that the 35mm is fine, if you didn't see a comparison shot so I've merged them together to illustrate what happens when you do.


Notice that in the shot on the left my ears are flattened against my head and almost not visible?

Notice how my face is sort of stretched and my nose looks more prominent in the shot on the left? (some people call this effect horse-face and that's what it looks like to me)

Even the basic shape of my face is different in each shot.

I hope you can see that the shot taken with the 85mm (while even this focal length is not optimum..I'd go longer if I was choosing a lens for this situation) is a much more pleasing look than the other one.
I took a portrait of myself yesterday to do an ill... (show quote)

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Feb 21, 2014 14:14:43   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
georgevedwards wrote:
Very interesting to see it proven in this thread, especially the shots of the girl by rpavich.


Just to be clear...that's a picture off of the web.


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But wouldn't the horse face be avoided by just stepping back with whatever lens you are using and cropping the picture later?


yes..you are right..it's the distance that does it.


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With modern DSLR's having a lot of megapixels, this could fix the problem. After all, what really causes the horse face effect, and I didn't see it mentioned in a quick skimming of answers, is the distance between the subject and the camera, NOT the lens itself? Ok, RJM does mention it. But really, isn't that the main point, a different focal length does not cause this distortion, but the fact that you have to get closer to fill the frame.


Yep...but I know that unless I was forced to..I wouldn't want to step back 20 feet just to avoid distortion in an image...I'd just use the proper focal length.


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All lenses would show the same face at the same distance, only short focal lengths (below 50) would have smaller faces and longer focal lengths would have larger faces. This is the important thing to remember so you understand WHY it is happening. The lens itself does not make a big nose, getting close to the face does. It is all in the angle and perspective, closer objects are larger (the nose), the sides of the head are cut off(the ears) from view in a camera shot that is close to the face.


correct :)

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Feb 21, 2014 14:34:38   #
rob s Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
Of course we know the focal length of the lenses in the samples shown but were these on a full frame or APSC or 4/3 or .................
The Hog making the point about distance being the determing factor was right on the money - all else is about how YOU make the image the size you want on the sensor of your camera.

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