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Photograph or Image(A hopefull in-depth discussion)
Jan 23, 2014 01:40:05 #
Due to another related thread on the subject, a potentially interesting thread comes to mind.
Just what is a photograph?
Just what is an image?
Although photography as we know it did not emerge until the 19th century, the word photograph evolved from the ancient Greek words (phos) meaning "light", and (γραφή/graphê), meaning "drawing/writing". Combined together meaning "drawing with light", creating the word for taking pictures.
(To be fair, both the "pinhole camera" and "camera obscura" captured life representations long before actual chemical development and preservation of those representations was possible, altho possible in later centuries.)
To be technical and by shear definition then, a photograph is created by light falling on a light-sensitive surface, or (in today's standards) known as film. From Joseph Nicéphore Niépce who in 1826/1827 created the oldest known surviving permanent photograph formed in a camera to Louis Daguerre's "daguerreotype" in 1838 (believed to be the earliest photograph to include people). When Niépce died in 1833, he left his notes to Daguerre so that his work would be continued. Into the next century, new processes, new developments, "modern" advances were continually made until the film that we all love today was created.
But wait...technology again advances. We now "shoot" digitally.
Now without getting all "techie" on y'all, digital "photography" is performed by the ability to transfer an "optical" converted electrical charge along the surface of a semiconductor. By definition then, is digital representation then still a photograph", or is it "merely" an image?
In summation, photographic advancements have been made from the earlist conception of "copying" until...who knows what the future bring?
Pardon the length, but felt it needed to bring forth dialogue. Your thoughts?
Just what is a photograph?
Just what is an image?
Although photography as we know it did not emerge until the 19th century, the word photograph evolved from the ancient Greek words (phos) meaning "light", and (γραφή/graphê), meaning "drawing/writing". Combined together meaning "drawing with light", creating the word for taking pictures.
(To be fair, both the "pinhole camera" and "camera obscura" captured life representations long before actual chemical development and preservation of those representations was possible, altho possible in later centuries.)
To be technical and by shear definition then, a photograph is created by light falling on a light-sensitive surface, or (in today's standards) known as film. From Joseph Nicéphore Niépce who in 1826/1827 created the oldest known surviving permanent photograph formed in a camera to Louis Daguerre's "daguerreotype" in 1838 (believed to be the earliest photograph to include people). When Niépce died in 1833, he left his notes to Daguerre so that his work would be continued. Into the next century, new processes, new developments, "modern" advances were continually made until the film that we all love today was created.
But wait...technology again advances. We now "shoot" digitally.
Now without getting all "techie" on y'all, digital "photography" is performed by the ability to transfer an "optical" converted electrical charge along the surface of a semiconductor. By definition then, is digital representation then still a photograph", or is it "merely" an image?
In summation, photographic advancements have been made from the earlist conception of "copying" until...who knows what the future bring?
Pardon the length, but felt it needed to bring forth dialogue. Your thoughts?
Jan 23, 2014 02:14:07 #
Jan 23, 2014 02:22:17 #
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Jan 23, 2014 03:20:53 #
An image does not become a Photograph until it leaves the virtual world, it is then that an artifact is created. An image can only exist in the Mind.
Jan 23, 2014 03:21:19 #
Jan 23, 2014 03:51:41 #
Jan 23, 2014 04:17:31 #
busted_shutter wrote:
I was waiting for the obligatory answers that are dismissive and all beside the question.Sorry, but my ... is a little rusty these days.
How can you hope have an answer here with the ... who kill any type of exchange?
Consider this as the "BIG UHH PICTURE", not an image, not a photo, just a freeze frame of this site.
The funny part is that stating the 'truth' is not welcome and neither is honesty. I am surprised that you are dismissed as well despite the potential interest of your question but then again, same folks.
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Jan 23, 2014 04:43:27 #
busted_shutter wrote:
An image, in my opinion, is a 'naive' representation of something that can be both real and imaginary. It can be more real than the 'picture' we mention so often in our mind.Due to another related thread on the subject, a potentially interesting thread comes to mind.
Just what is a photograph?
Just what is an image?
Just what is a photograph?
Just what is an image?
A photo, on the other hand, is the rendition of an existing scene as seen and 'interpreted' through a camera.
Doyle Thomas wrote:
So does a 'picture'. We usually use "I can see it" or "I can picture it".An image does not become a Photograph until it leaves the virtual world, it is then that an artifact is created. An image can only exist in the Mind.
Jan 23, 2014 11:08:06 #
Rongnongno wrote:
The funny part is that stating the 'truth' is not welcome and neither is honesty. I am surprised that you are dismissed as well despite the potential interest of your question but then again, same folks.
Proverbial "can of worms"...ya think?? I thought it a very relevant topic for discussion.
Jan 23, 2014 15:04:23 #
busted_shutter wrote:
Actually it is in par with your subject as imagery to depict a situation and create a picture that we all understand...Proverbial "can of worms"...ya think?? I thought it a very relevant topic for discussion.
:shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:
It is a relevant topic for discussion. But then again the simple fact that I am interested (...) obligates some to dismiss it as w/o interest or am I paranoid?
Jan 23, 2014 21:59:05 #
Rongnongno wrote:
paranoid?
Naw...not paranoid at all. Just someone else who desires to know as much of chosen craft as possible. In other words...not "just" a shutter-clicker.
Jan 23, 2014 23:04:50 #
To me photograph refers to a print, particularly one created with light.
Jan 23, 2014 23:09:02 #
Darkroom317 wrote:
A single question: What is a slide since it is rarely printed?To me photograph refers to a print.
Jan 23, 2014 23:12:14 #
Rongnongno wrote:
A single question: What is a slide since it is rarely printed?
It is still a physical positive
Jan 24, 2014 00:10:32 #
Darkroom317 wrote:
You are right but it defeats the 'printed' idea. Going from there, a digital representation on a screen is also a photograph, don't you think?It is still a physical positive
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