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Dec 14, 2013 20:31:43   #
farnsworth52 Loc: W. Pa.
 
Are you a photo journalist,papparazi,reporter,or a photographer. Are you being paid to capture the scene or just there taking your pics. These all have different ethical standards. Apparently yours are at the higher end of the gene pool. The bottom line is will you be able to sleep at night with your decision. You seem to have made a wise and ethical choice.Not all of life's moments need to be recorded;knowing which ones do seperates you from the people that feed on tragedy.

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Dec 14, 2013 20:39:56   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
rocco_7155 wrote:
So here's the scenario I was faced with a month ago. We had just left the interactive presentation "No Boundaries" at the WWII/D-Day Museum in New Orleans. It is a hugely emotion producing 90 minutes which involves the audience in the sounds, sights, and realities of WWII. The crowd was exiting into the lobby. I turned, camera in hand and ready to see an aged vet, in a wheelchair, sobbing uncontrollably. His similar aged wife and at least 2 other generations of family standing around him trying to console him. I raised my camera, and before I could press the shutter, I was overcome with the feeling that I was truly intruding, and that shooting would be somehow disrespectful. I simply walked over and tearfully said " Thank you, sir" and we left the area. I know that I did what was right for me at the moment, but the question has bothered me since. What would you have done? Thanks for any and all comments.
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Good choice, one of those moments when the best photograph is the one imprinted on your memory.
--Bob

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Dec 14, 2013 22:43:22   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
"A month ago" would have put the time of this incident close to Veterans' Day, a particularly sensitive time for anyone who has faced the horror of war and/or seen another person sacrifice his/her own life, particularly if that sacrifice resulted in life for others.

There have been excellent reasons given for taking and not taking the picture; most of those in favor of taking the picture have presented compassionate scenarios. It is encouraging to see that, in the midst of the chaos we face in our current world, good men and women still know the difference between right and wrong. It is even more encouraging to note that, in those grey areas between right and wrong, most people will take the more altruistic path, the path toward kindness and unselfishness.

I would have taken the picture. What I would have done then, I have no idea. I thank God that there are wiser people than I who, had they been there, would have done the right thing; I didn't know until I read this thread what the right thing was. I'm not sure I know now. But I pray that, if I am ever put in that position, I will make the right decision.

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Dec 14, 2013 23:03:32   #
wuzfuzzab Loc: Red Deer, Alberta
 
farnsworth52 wrote:
Are you a photo journalist,papparazi,reporter,or a photographer. Are you being paid to capture the scene or just there taking your pics. These all have different ethical standards. Apparently yours are at the higher end of the gene pool. The bottom line is will you be able to sleep at night with your decision. You seem to have made a wise and ethical choice.Not all of life's moments need to be recorded;knowing which ones do seperates you from the people that feed on tragedy.


Well the middle two occupations definitely have no ethics whatsoever.

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Dec 14, 2013 23:08:10   #
Rbrylawski Loc: Tampa, FL
 
Mogul wrote:
"A month ago" would have put the time of this incident close to Veterans' Day, a particularly sensitive time for anyone who has faced the horror of war and/or seen another person sacrifice his/her own life, particularly if that sacrifice resulted in life for others.

There have been excellent reasons given for taking and not taking the picture; most of those in favor of taking the picture have presented compassionate scenarios. It is encouraging to see that, in the midst of the chaos we face in our current world, good men and women still know the difference between right and wrong. It is even more encouraging to note that, in those grey areas between right and wrong, most people will take the more altruistic path, the path toward kindness and unselfishness.

I would have taken the picture. What I would have done then, I have no idea. I thank God that there are wiser people than I who, had they been there, would have done the right thing; I didn't know until I read this thread what the right thing was. I'm not sure I know now. But I pray that, if I am ever put in that position, I will make the right decision.
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I think most of us who were raised with the right values, know in our heart of hearts that if we have to ask ourselves if taking a picture is right or wrong, that in itself likely would give us what we'd need in order to not take a picture of an emotional moment, shared with family members, even if in a public setting.

When I first got into photography, I took pictures with less consideration. I wound up regretting some of the decisions I made and am much more considerate today. The question I ask myself is would it bother me if someone took my picture in a similar situation and if the answer is yes it would bother me, I don't raise my camera to my eye.

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Dec 14, 2013 23:42:30   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
Rbrylawski wrote:
I think most of us who were raised with the right values, know in our heart of hearts that if we have to ask ourselves if taking a picture is right or wrong, that in itself likely would give us what we'd need in order to not take a picture of an emotional moment, shared with family members, even if in a public setting.

When I first got into photography, I took pictures with less consideration. I wound up regretting some of the decisions I made and am much more considerate today. The question I ask myself is would it bother me if someone took my picture in a similar situation and if the answer is yes it would bother me, I don't raise my camera to my eye.
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Thanks for the response. Almost fifty years ago, I took a picture of a little boy sitting on a curb holding his dog that had just been hit and killed by a car. I was so proud of myself for having taken the photo of this emotional scene that I gave the picture (the whole roll actually) to a local newspaper (now defunct). Because the incident involved a multi-car pileup on a residential street, there were press photographers on the scene; all had missed the little boy, but a photographer for the newspaper took credit for the picture which was published. I had no proof and said nothing. Since that day, I have probably seen versions of that scene shot by other photographers at different times and places.

I am still haunted by that image, but not by the fact that I got no recognition or reimbursement. I am haunted by the fact that I took the picture, that I had invaded that child's private moment of grief. Legally, I may have had every right to do so; morally I had no right to have even thought of taking the shot. If I had ever become a famous photographer, that picture would have marked the beginning of my career. What a glorious addition that print that would have been to my wall of shame!

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Dec 15, 2013 00:05:28   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
billgdyoung wrote:
I’ve wrestled with your question for the last hour. In your heart, I’m sure you did the right thing…

I think I would have taken the picture, but I wouldn’t have stood right in front of him and his family with flash ablaze. After taking the picture, I would have waited till I thought the instant emotion had settled a little, then approached the man and family and respectively asked them if I could show them the image… if they said no, I would apologize for the intrusion, and delete the image. If they wanted to see the image, I would have shown it to them and offered to send them a print of the image… and told them that I had no intention of capitalizing on the picture. If that had been MY dad in the wheelchair, I would want the picture… I’m sure the family wouldn’t forget the reason for the tears, but I’m also pretty sure they didn’t break out a camera to record the dad’s emotion either. That instant in the family history could have lived forever and been something that their next generations could see. By the way, I’m one of those vets from Viet Nam who can’t even think about the Wall without dropping a tear or two. On the other hand, I applaud you for what you didn’t do… make any sense?
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This comment has me thinking about this even more.

First, if I was part of the family, would I pull out a camera and take a picture? Certainly not. Would I want someone else taking a picture? Probably not. If someone did take the picture and came and told me about it, would I want it deleted or kept? That's the second most important question, I think. (The most important question, though even harder, would be to figure out if the actual family would want it kept.) I guess I don't see why the picture would be important to me or my family, but I'd be really curious to hear why someone else would find it important. The other question would be what value would this image have to anyone else?

Now I'm asking from the "what's the point of our pictures?" perspective. Any insights? Thanks.

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Dec 15, 2013 00:37:03   #
NoSocks Loc: quonochontaug, rhode island
 
I think I'm glad I shoot mainly landscapes and grandkids.

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Dec 15, 2013 00:41:58   #
Rbrylawski Loc: Tampa, FL
 
Mogul wrote:
Thanks for the response. Almost fifty years ago, I took a picture of a little boy sitting on a curb holding his dog that had just been hit and killed by a car. I was so proud of myself for having taken the photo of this emotional scene that I gave the picture (the whole roll actually) to a local newspaper (now defunct). Because the incident involved a multi-car pileup on a residential street, there were press photographers on the scene; all had missed the little boy, but a photographer for the newspaper took credit for the picture which was published. I had no proof and said nothing. Since that day, I have probably seen versions of that scene shot by other photographers at different times and places.

I am still haunted by that image, but not by the fact that I got no recognition or reimbursement. I am haunted by the fact that I took the picture, that I had invaded that child's private moment of grief. Legally, I may have had every right to do so; morally I had no right to have even thought of taking the shot. If I had ever become a famous photographer, that picture would have marked the beginning of my career. What a glorious addition that print that would have been to my wall of shame!
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Thank you for sharing that experience. In life we don't get do-overs, but fortunately, we can remember and the chances are that experience has helped mold you as a photographer and has made a positive difference in how you've shot pictures since.

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Dec 15, 2013 07:55:22   #
cthahn
 
rocco_7155 wrote:
So here's the scenario I was faced with a month ago. We had just left the interactive presentation "No Boundaries" at the WWII/D-Day Museum in New Orleans. It is a hugely emotion producing 90 minutes which involves the audience in the sounds, sights, and realities of WWII. The crowd was exiting into the lobby. I turned, camera in hand and ready to see an aged vet, in a wheelchair, sobbing uncontrollably. His similar aged wife and at least 2 other generations of family standing around him trying to console him. I raised my camera, and before I could press the shutter, I was overcome with the feeling that I was truly intruding, and that shooting would be somehow disrespectful. I simply walked over and tearfully said " Thank you, sir" and we left the area. I know that I did what was right for me at the moment, but the question has bothered me since. What would you have done? Thanks for any and all comments.
So here's the scenario I was faced with a month ag... (show quote)


It depends what you are going to do with the picture. Lete your conscience b e your guide.

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Dec 15, 2013 08:19:31   #
Bobbee
 
LiamRowan wrote:
If someone had asked my mother (in the wheelchair) following her husband's casket in Arlington if they could shoot the moment, she would have been horrified. If she had seen the photo being taken she would have been horrified. But is she ever glad now that the photo was taken; she could not express how much it means to her or to the family. Similarly, thinking of the little Vietnamese girl burned with napalm in the Pulitzer winning photo mentioned earlier . . . how could the photographer have done it? That picture has stayed with me for the right reasons the rest of my life. So I think it would have been OK for you to have taken your photo. But I also don't think there is a right and wrong in this situation. You listened to your heart, and IF you erred, you did so out of thoughtfulness and consideration for others. Who could fault that?
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Nice Photo.

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Dec 16, 2013 09:12:42   #
tk Loc: Iowa
 
I didn't stop to read all the posts.

You did the right thing for how you felt. Admiration to you from me.

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