carlysue Loc: Columbus

I realize there are a few hot spots and the color is a bit intense. But here is my question: The wine bottle is straight but the wineglass and the fruit bowl seem slightly tilted. Is there a way to straighten the glass and bowl without tilting the bottle ?

Pierre H.J. Dumais Loc: Mississippi Mills, Ont.

It is a heck of a real good start. Your creative mind is on the move.
But that's a real good question. The only thing I can think of is perhaps a wrinkle or fold under the glass caused the tilt.
My eyes, and they're old, see a tilt of the bottle different to that of the glass.
That's why I think there was something under the glass.

Pierre

Nightski

Your composition is lovely here, CarlySue. I think what you are missing is some contrast. I'm hoping HeirloomTomato comes along, because she is so good at this stuff. Your glass is leaning because the table is not level. That should be a quick fix in post. I really do love how you have put all these items together.

Heirloom Tomato Loc: Oregon

I just looked at this scene and wish I had the skill to do this. Sadly, it is beyond my skill level. I know there are at least a few UHH members who can do this. How about it guys, you know who you are. Can you ride in on a white horse and level the glass and bowl while leaving the wine bottle upright? Pretty please with sugar on top?

CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver

Too easy. Select glass - Cmd-J to place on its own layer, Cmd-T to Transform/rotate straight, flatten.

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deej

I did notice the wine in the glass is tilted in comparison to the wine in the bottle but wonderful job

carlysue Loc: Columbus

Thank you CaptainC, I knew there would be a way, I just didn't know how. I'm pretty much self taught in pp so I appreciate this so much. I am pretty sure my table top is flat so not sure what skewed the grouping. I did do several set ups so maybe something got under the glass & bowl.
Thank you all for your quick responses and I appreciate your kind comments.

conkerwood

Rotating the glass in a separate layer is a very good method but as deej pointed out the level of the wine is no longer horizontal. It may not matter as you would have to look to see it but there are other ways to approach problem which do not end up with the wine being off level. I have attached my attempt. If you open it up in photoshop and use the ruler tool you can see that the top of the glass and the wine level are both horizontal and the stem is vertical. This was done in two steps. Firstly you use the warp command to adjust the vertical of the wine glass. Because you are only changing the vertical the wine level is not changed. The second step is to use Puppet Warp. I don't know if you are familiar this command but it is very useful. As a first step you lock in all the corners with pins and place loads of pins around the pic. Then the key one right at the point on the right where the wine level touches the glass. Then its a simple matter of pinning the top right of the glass and stretching it up slightly. The wine level does not change because you have locked it in place. I also noticed there is some curvature on the bottle on the left so I selected a rectangle taking in half the left hand side of the bottle and used the warp command to remove the curve. There is a downside to this method and that is that it does introduce some distortions ( or remove distortions that were already there) but you would never notice them unless you had seen the before shot. Hope this helps. If you are not familiar with puppet warp then my explanation probably doesn't make much sense but there are plenty of video tutorials on tube.


And then in the second pic I corrected the tilt in the glass bowl as well again using puppet warp.

Hope this helps. Love the pic by the way, beautiful rich colours.

Peter

Chuck_893 Loc: Lincoln, Nebraska, USA

Interesting mystery (and by the way, I cannot see what Capt.C did…?), but to start with I basically like the picture. Very richly dark and moody. The painted backdrop is wonderful. I love the dark red light. It could be some brighter, and the set seems crowded toward the bottom left. If you have more room I might shift the crop to allow a tad more room at left and bottom.

I keep studying this to try to figure out the curious tilt(s). One cue is the liquid in the bottle and the glass. Liquid always finds its own level, and as near as I can tell the liquid is, in fact, dead level relative to the plumb of the picture. You can check it by sliding it down your browser and aligning the liquid with the edge of the window. Using that trick, the bottoms of both the glass and the bowl also seem level, yet the top of the glass is absolutely tilted, and the bowl is worse, but if the bottoms are flat on the table (and I can see there is no table cloth) then it can't be something under the bases. I checked the exif. You're using a 60mm on, I believe, a crop sensor, so it can't be a trick of the lens.

I have seen lots of stemware, esp. glasses, that were not perfectly straight. It's not that rare. I don't know about the bowl (which seems pretty extreme unless it was deliberately made that way—some are for art's sake), but I wonder if the glass, at least, is, in fact, a little—bent? :shock:

Edit: posted before I saw Conkerwood's, but dang, it STILL doesn't look plumb to me. Maybe it's just an optical illusion? :hunf:

Heirloom Tomato Loc: Oregon

Hurray for puppet warp!!! You fixed it, great job, Peter.

Old Salt Loc: relocated to Pennsylvania from Maine

This is interesting. is it possible that your glass is out of round ? Not all of these glasses come true from the factory, hold the glass by the stem with your fingers and roll it to see if either the bottom or top are out of round or uneven with the stem. Looking at it on a grid, it just doesn't look true compared to the bottle. It could also be some lens distortion. Just saying

conkerwood

The angles and tilts are a real mystery and since I am a happily retired man with plenty of time on my hands I decided to have a closer look. So I brightened the pic up to see all the details hidden in the dark shadows. First thing is that the wine level will give you the true horizontal and it is pretty close to being perfect. But if you look at the line where the table meets the wall there is a significant slope down to the right. The bottle neck looks vertical but the left side of the bottle is curved which may or may not be significant because bottles and wine glasses can be irregular. There is a very strong tilt at the top of in the fruit bowl but the bottom of the bowl and the stem look pretty close to how they should be. Very weird but maybe there is a clue at the very bottom of the pic. If you look at the front lip of the table there is a double image near the middle. Go up from there and if you look at the stem of the bowl there is a distinct line which seems to cut off the right edge of the berry and separates the stem into a bright and dark section. Now go to the front lip again at the bottom left and there seems to be multiple layers of the edge. There is also a hint of a ghost of another curved base to the stem in the table top which may be nothing. Conclusion?? Well blowed if I know. You can't discount lens distortion being a contributing factor though it seems unlikely, so my guess is that it has to be one of three possibilities. Either an in camera software glitch, it happens every now and then. A glitch in transferring from camera to computer or a glitch in post processing. It would be interesting go back to the original download and see if the double lip problem was showing there which if it was would tend to point the finger at an in camera software glitch. BTW I still love the pic.

Peter

Country's Mama Loc: Michigan

Interesting study. Thank you for doing it.

carlysue Loc: Columbus

I am awed and overwhelmed by all the help and positive responses from each of you. Your work studying this is just far more than I would have imagined. I will revisit each of my objects. I am thinking it might be the angle on this one. I used metallic card stock on the table top to get the reflection and I did have to use 2 sheets which is what the line going up the center would represent. I didn't realize that it would be evident. As far as I can tell, the table top is level and altho it's a cheap glass, I think its straight. You guys are the best and thank you all for being so kind. I still have a pomme, plenty of wine and will go get a new orange and continue to play.

CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver

Drink that wine and the whole thing about what is straight won't seem so important.