TrainNut Loc: Ridin' the rails

New scientific evidence shows that the earth is not as old as they thought.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/phenomenon-throws-twist-into-age-of-earth/

Pictxterowner 3 D sbs

well. if your going to make me watch it put it over in links and resources.
It's ok right here to go ahead and tell me what they said. :-P we will Chat :XD:

TucsonCoyote Loc: Tucson AZ

I am just an amateur geologist but all the theories about pole shifts are so ridiculous and outrageous !
Any half assed geologist like me will tell you that .....knowing how many times the earth's crust has been worked and reworked by plate tectonics and plate uplift and fold and collapse and on and on through the millions and billions (?)of years will have pieces and parts facing in every which way but the original direction!
To come up with a "theory" every time you find a rock facing in a different direction is just looking for attention and maybe making a name for yourself !
To even venture to try and prove to me that the earth is just thousands of years old because lightning possibly/sometimes/could melt small puddles of rock ......just draws a.. WHAT??!!
Some people are just a waste of time writing crap like that!

The people who want everything in the Bible to jive with their beliefs should really first understand what they are reading .....then go from that and be happy they are God's creatures...Amen !

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

That sounds great but I know of quite a few degreed Astrophysicists, Geologists, Anthropologists, etc...who not only are brilliant in their field but believe that the bible is God's word...and true in what it addresses and would heartily disagree with you. :)

It must be nice to dismiss a direct observation and conclusion about the age of the earth so easily and arbitrarily.

TucsonCoyote Loc: Tucson AZ

There has never been a divide between science and religion ....not until creationists created themselves early last century and absolutely wanted to throw a wrench in the works.....when the problem is with their misunderstanding of most what was written in the Bible!
Just read the first few lines in Genesis and you will understand what I mean.....maybe ! 8-)

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

That's so far from the truth it's not even funny. There isn't a divide between real observational science and what the bible says about reality.

The rest (evolutionary hypotheses from people who weren't there) is just conjecture.

I'll let you have the last word but I'm confused as to how you can believe what the bible says on salvation when you think that it's incorrect on how and when God created everything...do you think that God cannot speak clearly through men and make sure that the message is accurate?

If you want to respond to that...email me..I don't want to clog up this thread any further.

rpavich (at) gmail (dot) com.

Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana

Pictxterowner, no Body is making you watch anything. We often ad links as a source for one reason or another. If you want to be a part of the discussion and be informed, click on the link and ad your opinion. Add your own links if you think that would help.

Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana

If you ever watch the History Channel and the Science Channel on how the earth is formed, every story has a different claim. One says this, another says that. So many theories and so little proof. Did you know that God lives on planet X and that Angels use black holes to travel to and fro into other dimensions? Its all true, it was reported by scientist on Science Channel!

Now, I believe the bible to be the true word of God and I believe the Genesis Story word for word, but com'on, even the writers of the bible gave us some clues and insight into the workings of God. No, God did not create the world as we know it in six days - a day to the lord is as a thousand years, give or take a few. The book of Genesis does not claim that the world was created in six days - it's intended claim is that it was God who created the Heavens and the earth. His spirit brooded over the face of the earth for thousands and thousands of years to make it just so.
We all know that six thousand years or even six million years is not enough time form creation to give us what we have today. And that is the reality of it.

Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana

Creationist have been around since the writing of the bible in spirit if not in body. It was Darwin who threw the wrench into the works with his theory. True, science and religion walked hand and hand at one time, one confusing the other but you can thank Darwin for the great divide, IMHO

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

Agreed.




Good...I believe it's God's word also.




Whoops...you just said that you believe it's God's word and now you say that He is fibbing in the account of how He accomplished it?

This is one large problem with what I call the "bible buffet" problem. You've mixed two different passages into a blender, and come up with something new.

Genesis is a straightforward historical account of God's creative actions. It uses terms like "day" and "night" and "evening" and "morning" in their normal much-used sense.

The passage that you mixed with it (2nd Peter 3) is a totally different context and a totally different converstation.

Peter is addressing the second coming and how scoffers are saying that Jesus will never come back, and he's illustrating God's patience and that the time span that they are complaining about (for God) is a blink of an eye...He's not lagging on his promise.

It has nothing to do with creation, or the creation account or the meaning of the word "yom" as used in the bible. (day)



Actually, that's exactly what it does. It says what was created, and how long and when they were created...

In context, there isn't any other way to read it. It's only when trying to mix in the recently developed "evolutionary" ideas about the age of all things that we must question the text as to what it says.

I would LOVE to go through the Genesis account and exegete it with you...It's very clear about what it says.

The fact is...nobody questions any other of the many thousands of the times "yom" (day" is used in the bible...lol...only here in Genesis and the reason is what I mentioned above...that men's fallible and changing ideas must be mixed in.

email me if you'd like to rpavich (at) gmail (dot) com




Lol...so we are talking about a God who is Omniscient, Omnipresent, Transcendent, raises dead people back to life, calms storms, gives the blind their sight, causes the walls of Jericho to fall, causes earthquakes, predicts Jesus' death and resurrection (and hundreds and hundreds of other detailed predictions) and all manner of other things I didn't mention, and it's not possible that He created all things in 6 normal 24 hour days?

Your bias is showing.

Gnslngr

In the year 2013 you believe that the word of Genesis is the literal scientific truth?

Sheesh. Some days I despair the species.....

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

Yes, I do.

But I also note that your entire position consists of insults.

If you think you'd like to examine your worldview against the Christian worldview and see which is more logical to hold...feel free to not just insult me in this thread, but to email me at:

rpavich (at) gmail (dot) com.

Personally...I think all you've got in your holster is insults and arrogance....but feel free to surprise me.

Gnslngr

Here's a surprise: radiometric dating. Look it up.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

Gosh...more arrogance...surprise surprise.

I'm well acquainted with the various dating methodologies.


Like I said...if you want to do more than your usual photo-forum-sound-byte-toss...

you know where to find me.

Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana

rpavich, I understand your reply and respect your belief. What I had said about Genesis and the six day creation story remains. You should know that God likes to take his time doing things. If you believe that the earth was created in six days then you must also believe that the earth is only six thousand plus two thousand years old. Even those numbers are wrong.
There was no mistake in saying that I believe the bible is the word of God and that every word is true while saying also that it was not an actual six day event. If you take the bible word for word then it will not make sense and you run into problems. Genesis chapter one God creates everything including cattle and man and it took six days to do it. It was only in chapter two that God rested on the seventh day. But wait, in chapter two verse five there are no shrubs or trees because God has not yet caused it to rain. Man also has not been created yet but God rested. No grass for the cattle? What happen to man?
I understand the flow (the best I can) but not everyone will. Some will see it as a mistake. No, the bible dose not say that on Monday God did this and on Tuesday God did that, so on and so forth. God spoke it and made it so but he took his time with it.