JBTaylor Loc: In hiding again

Comparison of canceled plans with nearly all the Obamacare bells and whistles to the Obamacare exchange plans. Hint: They aren't substandard plans from "fly by night" companies. I would be embarrassed to have repeated that Obama lie around here.

http://csteventucker.wordpress.com/2013/11/02/substandard-plans-mr-president-here-is-proof-that-you-are-lying-once-again/

FrumCA

This info sums it up quite well...
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lovesphotos Loc: Colorado and Arizona

As much as I wasn't for Mr. Obama, I was for a decent health care system, and felt maybe this is one thing he may be able to pull.
But the more I read about the horror stories the more I believe this has been another grand failure of the government who is inept to produce yet a single thing for the benefit of all Americans.

FrumCA

Like you lovesphotos, I am also for a decent health care system but it was clear from the beginning that this Obamacare debacle was not going to be it. While the system we had pre-Obamacare had some major faults, healthcare was never going to be more affordable unless you were / are one if the fortunate folks who are eligible for a large subsidy (at the expense of taxpayers and other insurance buyers). The only thing this law has accomplished is to force millions of Americans to purchase more expensive than they may want or need.

Ceekmi Loc: Central NY

The whole Obamacare thing was/is reinventing the wheel! The country has two tax payer programs in place, they work very well for those involved. One is the health care insurance congress. Senate etc have. The other is Medicaid, both are tax payer supported, so why not make the former available to all! Would be less expensive than the Obamacare debacle!

Ceekmi Loc: Central NY

Those of us who want can purchase supplemental Insurance, as we see fit!
The cost of my supplemental insurance has tripled for next year, so have all the co pays, what is so affordable about that!

sb Loc: Florida's East Coast

No one is saying the current plans are "substandard plans from fly-by-night companies". It is just that the cheaper plans don't cover preventive care, have limits on coverage, pre-existing condition exclusions, etc, which will no longer be allowed. So - better coverage, and more cost. The goal is to improve the health of Americans (the US has an embarrassingly low rating internationally in terms of health statistics) and to get coverage for everyone. So - it's also a tax that we will be paying to cover the health care of others who will get subsidized insurance. Those people are now getting unpaid care which is subsidized by us anyway.

tjl441

Anyone who thought, or thinks that the vast majority of politicians care about health and well-being, needs to rethink that!! When Nancy said, we have to pass the bill, before we can find out what is in the bill, that alone should have made people pause. It's about two things..1 for politicians, it's tell them anything, even if it's a lie to get the VOTE, #2 for the voters, it appears it's about what can they get for free.. I guess it's backfiring!!

JBTaylor Loc: In hiding again

You may be right about the "fly by night" part. That was a perhaps flawed paraphrase of "bogus insurance companies are being forced out of business".



But sub-standard was how the administration described these plans and was repeated here by ole sarg among others.




http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57610109/obama-stands-by-promise-that-you-can-keep-your-plan/

But also, you are making assumptions that these plans provide inferior coverage in multiple ways when that is not necessarily true. One of the plans couldn't be canceled as long as the company stayed in the market and the closest equivalent was a Platinum plan. Others had preventive care and lower co-pays and deductibles than the Bronze plans that cost more. Kirsten Powers says that her cancelled plan differed only in the pre-existing condition feature from the Obamacare plan that will cost her nearly twice what her cancelled plan did in premiums.



This problem is that this was marketed as a free lunch when a lot of people, many in the demographics that elected Obama, are finding out that they will be paying more for less to subsidize others.

cudakite Loc: San Antonio

Seems to me, if one reads all the data presented with an open mind, it's pretty darned conclusive. I voted for Bush but I have the intellectual honesty to decry his policies when those policies contradicted common sense. Open and unfettered minds appear to be a shrinking commodity. Btw, my wife's policy has been cancelled and it WAS an excellent plan. Anyone saying differently is simply expressing an opinion based on ignorance and an unsympathetic heart poisoned by an opposing ideology.

Audwulf Loc: Golden State

I think the worst one was, a single,elderly man's insurance was cancelled because it didn't have a maternity clause in compliance with the ACA.