Crwiwy Loc: Devon UK

Reading so many posts on UHH which are hijacked by the 'Gun Nuts' gives us Brits strange ideas about some of the Americans attitudes, and we could be forgiven for thinking they suffer from 'paranoia'.

Some of the posts are very amusing with the apparent intensity of belief of the posters.

However, today - while looking at the video in the post marked 'Sliders' - I became sidetracked by several others.

One of them - see below - is totally alien to our British way of life and our understanding. It is not alone and many more instances can be found on Youtube.

As the incident was caught on CCTV cameras it vividly brings home to us that parts of America have ways of life way outside anything we can understand from our own experience.
What some consider crazy appears to be a fact of life for others.

Black woman shoots man in gas station with rifle, Houston Raw

SHOCK! Does Stand Your Ground Apply

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DH8gkcvOQ8

tradio Loc: Oxford, Ohio

He did have a knife and was aggressive.

Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana

What is your problem with this?

steve_icbinb Loc: nr. Rochester, UK

Oh come on!

That Lady was bang out of order:

1: I saw no evidence that she carried out a Risk Assessment nor completed any paperwork prior to discharging the firearrm.

2: She did not appear to be wearing any PPE, not even Ear Muffs.

Moreover, frightfully unsporting to shoot before her Ghillie had flushed him out of the bushes...



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Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana

Then hang the bitch for not obeying the law!

Doddy Loc: Barnard Castle-England

A man is shot dead, the murderer gets out her camera and takes a photograph of his dead body and drives away..and she might not be charged....No the Brits couldn't comprehend any of this.

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

There is no understanding an act like this. How does someone shoot another person then take their picture and simply ride away?
This detachment from the act involves a level of mental illness that is beyond comprehension. It is simply sociopathic behavior and if she's not charged with the shooting she should at least be held for psychiatric evaluation.
How many people keep a loaded rifle in their car? I would say even the gun advocates here have never done that.

Crwiwy Loc: Devon UK

Who said there was a problem?

Cultural anthropology.

If you read my post you will see that it is a observation on the different views of the people from the two sides of the Atlantic on this type of subject.

It is not censure or comment on the American way of life. it is merely an observation that in some ways, what we are used to in our day to day lives, is so different that I doubted whether the Brits could understand the American way - or vica versa.

gfinnstrom

This situation is unique however from the3 video and witnesses the lady was approached by a man acting crazy making sexual advances...per the witness she told him to get back he did not then she pulled out a rifles from the trunk of the car....
the man still did not back off he made an advance towards the lady using the umbrella as a distraction and lunging with the knife trying to injure or kill her....

she shot the man with the rifle evidently killing him..... that much is justified in the protecting one's life family or friend....
however taking a photo is a bit strange then again people around the world use their cell phones taking pictures or videos of scenes like this and not helping the victims....

the second thing she did and this was the wrong thing to do was take off she should have been arrested just like leaving a scene of a severe accident... i worked the streets for 30 years as a medic and law-enforcement i have seen just about everything possible... i dont agree with everything that went down i also agree that she be checked out because she had no remorse and took off the key word took off... A good prosecutor could make a case of premeditated ... highly unlikely because the video shows one view of the incident.....

as far as someone carrying a rifle in the trunk well hells bells many do i carry a shotgun fully loaded read for use if needed i also carry a handgun with a back up as well..... i was trained to shoot to stop the commission of the crime not to kill however if the person the bad guy dies in the process that is his fault...

also the UK is not all angelic this don't happen here is bull crap to say the least .... there are a lot of crimes in the UK with a firearms used.. that is why more and more specially trained officers are armed that is why when a crime with a knife the armed officers are called... it is getting worse maybe it is kept a secret however it is not i have seen the specials about the UK police officers......

the world is getting worse it is all over.... in England there was a soldier that was hacked to death no one tried to stop it if a person had a gun he would be alive today in Australia they made it mandatory for everyone one to turn in their guns the crime rate jumped 89 percent the criminals are having a field day about it....

there was a town in the US they made it a law for everyone to have a gun in the house the crime rate dropped 90 percent without any one being shot....

if there was a brit next to me or i came up to one and they were in the process of being severely injured or killed i would have no problem in stopping the criminal to save that person life i took an oath in 1985 to uphold the laws and constitution of the us not the government to save lives....

viscountdriver Loc: East Kent UK

gfinnstrom is right.Come on, when that soldier was hacked to death wouldn't you have shot him if you had a gun.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think we should carry guns but also, we should not criticise other nations who think it right. Criminals carry guns in the UK more and more and armed police are everywhere. Go to your nearest airport.

Crwiwy Loc: Devon UK

I didn't say that the UK was angelic! In your apparent haste to defend the American way of life against a - nonexistent - external criticism, you have missed the point.
In the video featured, it was an apparent normal housewife - not a member of a street gang!

From a Cultural anthropology view - as you have admitted - it is not unusual for the average American to carry and be prepared to use firearms. The average Brit does not, and the majority would not even consider the possibility. I very much doubt that any Brit could imagine a housewife having a loaded gun in the boot of her car.

The difference is cultural and would probably be historical as the Americans had to fight for a new country.

I do wonder though where that leaves the Aussies? They went to a new country and suffered hardships - but as far as I know the average Australian does not still go around armed. I would like to here an Australians view on this question.

jcs Loc: USA

You're right .
A loaded .45 is much easier to keep in a car . Lol

Crwiwy Loc: Devon UK

Unless imagined by the reader - there was no criticism in my post - not even implied.

I was observing on the difference between the two cultures of otherwise similar people and what is considered normal.

Yes we live in increasingly violent times and SOME of our police are now regularly armed, but I cannot see any signs that the general population are going to be allowed to carry arms in the near or distant future!

One thing to consider here is that the right to carry arms is written in the American constitution and that right is obviously rigorously defended by the citizens.

Can you ever imagine any British government making new laws to allow citizens to carry arms. If you can - then you have a much more fanciful imagination than I have. Even if the suggestion was proposed the Health and Safety would stop it! :roll:

Crwiwy Loc: Devon UK

And much easier to handle as well!

Your .45 should be quite an effective stopper. It surprised me a bit that - with one shot - the woman killed a man with a .22. I know it can be done with a very good - or very lucky - shot, but from the video the rifle did not look as though it was aimed.

sye Loc: The Old Dominion Near DC

I thought that she took a photo of the witnesses. That's a pretty good idea since eyewitnesses in most criminal acts seem to evaporate or comment that "they don't want to get involved."

As for our British citizen's question, Looks more like self defense. She wasn't confined to her home when he attacked her with an umbrella AND a knife BUT she probably did fear for her life. Once again a rule of nature definitely applies here -- NEVER BRING A KNIFE or even an Umbrella into a gunfight You might very likely lose.

The concept of self preservation is a mental flaw in all animals, especially humans. Wouldn't you agree ?

If she is arrested, indicted and convicted for defending herself, I would join the outcry too.