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Aug 12, 2013 10:23:02   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado
 
Why Grandpa carries a gun.
Please take time to read this and pay particular attention to "A Little Gun History" about half way down.

PEOPLE ASK WHY?
Why Carry a Gun?
My old grandpa said to me 'Son, there comes a time in every man's life when he stops bustin' knuckles and starts bustin' caps and usually it's when he becomes too old to take a butt whoopin.'

I don't carry a gun to kill people.
I carry a gun to keep from being killed.
I don't carry a gun to scare people.
I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.
I don't carry a gun because I'm paranoid.
I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world.
I don't carry a gun because I'm evil.
I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world.
I don't carry a gun because I hate the government.
I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.
I don't carry a gun because I'm angry.
I carry a gun so that I don't have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.
I don't carry a gun because I want to shoot someone.
I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.
I don't carry a gun because I'm a cowboy.
I carry a gun because, when I die and go to heaven, I want to be a cowboy.
I don't carry a gun to make me feel like a man.
I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.
I don't carry a gun because I feel inadequate.
I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.
I don't carry a gun because I love it.
I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.
Police protection is an oxymoron.
Free citizens must protect themselves.
Police do not protect you from crime, they usually just investigate the crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.
I carry a gun because God gave me the Right to do so; it is inalienable.
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A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million..
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You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,
gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control,
please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.
During WW II the Japanese decided not to invade America
because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

The purpose of fighting is to win.
There is no possible victory in defense.
The sword is more important than the shield,
and skill is more important than either.
The final weapon is the brain.
All else is supplemental.

SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!
SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.
SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!
IT'S A NO BRAINER!
DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.
I'm a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment!



"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." Thomas Jefferson

Being defeated is often a temporary condition. Giving up is what makes it permanent.

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Aug 12, 2013 10:27:00   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
What if Grandpa has dementia?

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Aug 12, 2013 10:31:20   #
chienfou Loc: Valley Stream, NY
 
Frank T wrote:
What if Grandpa has dementia?


He's already paranoid.

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Aug 12, 2013 10:37:29   #
heyrob Loc: Western Washington
 
Frank T wrote:
What if Grandpa has dementia?


Then we won't sell you a gun Frank.

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Aug 12, 2013 10:40:56   #
spiderbob
 
He won't remember where he put is gun

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Aug 12, 2013 10:42:46   #
heyrob Loc: Western Washington
 
Jakebrake wrote:

SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!
SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.
SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!
IT'S A NO BRAINER!
DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.
I'm a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment!


For those who don't believe that the same would hold true here in the US, just Google: "Kennesaw, GA gun law" and see what happened there when in 1982 they passed a law that required every head of household to own a gun and the ammo to go with it. I'll give you a hint, the crime rate declined 7 times the rate for Georgia as a whole the following year. It has remained low ever since.

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Aug 12, 2013 10:44:00   #
oldmalky Loc: West Midlands,England.
 
Japan realised it had done all it could when it failed to bring down America at Pearl,to think that they were worried about the ordinary American and not the might of the American armed forces you do the ex-service men and women a grave injustice.

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Aug 12, 2013 10:52:11   #
Lucian Loc: From Wales, living in Ohio
 
Switzerland issues a gun to every man above 18 because he becomes a soldier for the country, not just because they want to give out guns to people. Every 18 year old is conscripted and keeps a uniform and a rifle at home. Also I believe it has a high suicide rate caused by gunshot compared to other European countries.

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Aug 12, 2013 12:13:55   #
Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert
 
Frank T wrote:
What if Grandpa has dementia?


He'd probably be on his way to have a talk with Frank T right about now Doc .....

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Aug 12, 2013 12:39:40   #
heyrob Loc: Western Washington
 
Lucian wrote:
Switzerland issues a gun to every man above 18 because he becomes a soldier for the country, not just because they want to give out guns to people. Every 18 year old is conscripted and keeps a uniform and a rifle at home. Also I believe it has a high suicide rate caused by gunshot compared to other European countries.


Oh yeah I forgot that guns cause suicide, just like my pencil causes misspelled words, and spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat. Thanks for the reminder.

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Aug 12, 2013 13:23:42   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
I've heard that malarchy about the Japanese being afraid to invade the mainland because of our privately held guns. A bigger load of bs has never been said. The Japanese were a well trained, loyal and dedicated armed forces that were defeated by the American armed forces in a long and bloody war.
To think that Hirohito was afraid of Jethro and his 12 guage is just an NRA wet dream.
I personally don't care of heyrob has a thousand guns but I do care about his demented grandfather having guns and that should be the common ground.
Background checks to prevent the insane, the criminals and the domestic violence perpetrators from getting firearms has no downside.

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Aug 12, 2013 14:47:21   #
heyrob Loc: Western Washington
 
Frank T wrote:
I've heard that malarchy about the Japanese being afraid to invade the mainland because of our privately held guns. A bigger load of bs has never been said. The Japanese were a well trained, loyal and dedicated armed forces that were defeated by the American armed forces in a long and bloody war.
To think that Hirohito was afraid of Jethro and his 12 guage is just an NRA wet dream.
I personally don't care of heyrob has a thousand guns but I do care about his demented grandfather having guns and that should be the common ground.
Background checks to prevent the insane, the criminals and the domestic violence perpetrators from getting firearms has no downside.
I've heard that malarchy about the Japanese being ... (show quote)


Sorry frank, but that is another of your mental wet dreams, Both of my grandfathers passed away back in the 1960's, but had all of their mental faculties right up to the end, and neither owned a gun as far as I am aware. So you can take your silly accusations and put them with the rest of your head, you know, where the sun doesn't shine.

The fact is there are already plenty of laws on the books to prevent the sale of guns to those of diminished mental capacity. Of course there are those who owned them before losing that faculty. Why is it that you anti-gun types are more concerned with getting rid of guns, instead of making the use of them in crimes a mandatory prison term. Have you opposed car ownership, because a few drive drunk and kill innocent people?

The only other question I have for you Frank is how do you pull those stupid ideas out of your a$$, and still get them past your head?

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Aug 12, 2013 14:55:16   #
heyrob Loc: Western Washington
 
Frank T wrote:
Background checks to prevent the insane, the criminals and the domestic violence perpetrators from getting firearms has no downside.


Oh I almost forgot this part, have you bought a gun lately, of course not, sorry I was off in your fantasy land there for a second. Despite being a former police officer, and having a current concealed carry license, I am still often forced by the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS to wait as much as 3 days before taking possession of a new firearm. So please tell me why you continue to claim that criminals can just walk into a gun shop and buy a gun without a background check?

It would sure be nice if you knew something about that which you talk about, before you spread your lies.

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Aug 12, 2013 15:17:41   #
PatrickTheCop Loc: Spartanburg, SC
 
Frank T wrote:
I've heard that malarchy about the Japanese being afraid to invade the mainland because of our privately held guns. A bigger load of bs has never been said. The Japanese were a well trained, loyal and dedicated armed forces that were defeated by the American armed forces in a long and bloody war.
To think that Hirohito was afraid of Jethro and his 12 guage is just an NRA wet dream.
I personally don't care of heyrob has a thousand guns but I do care about his demented grandfather having guns and that should be the common ground.
Background checks to prevent the insane, the criminals and the domestic violence perpetrators from getting firearms has no downside.
I've heard that malarchy about the Japanese being ... (show quote)


I take no issue with any part of your post save the last. Explain to me please in any conceivable way a background check will 1) prevent even 10% of insane persons from getting a gun 2) prevent criminals from getting a gun illegally 3) prevent more (or any for that matter) domestic violence batterers from getting a gun than the current federal law that prohibits the same class from getting guns now which already shows up on the current mandatory background checks?

For arguments sake, who would you categorize as insane? There are a huge number of mental illnesses, many of which tend not to have violent tendencies as a symptom or manifestation. And how would you obtain that diagnosis for those you suspect but have not yet been diagnosed as insane? And, for those who HAVE been diagnosed with a mental illness how do you make that information available to Joe Dealer without violating HIPAA? If you say it's ok to violate HIPAA in this case is it ok to violate someone's privacy for some other reason you, I or the government decide is necessary?

Just how many criminals do you think go to WalMart, Joe Gundealer, or Academy Sports to get the guns they plan to use in their crimes? As a police officer I can tell you that less than 1% of guns I get off of criminals were obtained legally.

As for DV batterers there are already federal laws which make it a crime for anyone convicted of domestic violence to own or possess a gun (this includes handguns, long guns and homemade guns). There is also a federal background check in place now that this group, as well as the other criminals, appear on which is also a law.

If you can show me any logical and reasonable way expanded background checks can prevent any of these folks from getting guns I am very likely to support it. My guess is you will be hard pressed to do so however.

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Aug 12, 2013 16:10:14   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado
 
PatrickTheCop wrote:
I take no issue with any part of your post save the last. Explain to me please in any conceivable way a background check will 1) prevent even 10% of insane persons from getting a gun 2) prevent criminals from getting a gun illegally 3) prevent more (or any for that matter) domestic violence batterers from getting a gun than the current federal law that prohibits the same class from getting guns now which already shows up on the current mandatory background checks?

For arguments sake, who would you categorize as insane? There are a huge number of mental illnesses, many of which tend not to have violent tendencies as a symptom or manifestation. And how would you obtain that diagnosis for those you suspect but have not yet been diagnosed as insane? And, for those who HAVE been diagnosed with a mental illness how do you make that information available to Joe Dealer without violating HIPAA? If you say it's ok to violate HIPAA in this case is it ok to violate someone's privacy for some other reason you, I or the government decide is necessary?

Just how many criminals do you think go to WalMart, Joe Gundealer, or Academy Sports to get the guns they plan to use in their crimes? As a police officer I can tell you that less than 1% of guns I get off of criminals were obtained legally.

As for DV batterers there are already federal laws which make it a crime for anyone convicted of domestic violence to own or possess a gun (this includes handguns, long guns and homemade guns). There is also a federal background check in place now that this group, as well as the other criminals, appear on which is also a law.

If you can show me any logical and reasonable way expanded background checks can prevent any of these folks from getting guns I am very likely to support it. My guess is you will be hard pressed to do so however.
I take no issue with any part of your post save th... (show quote)


Oh good grief Patrick. You just blew poor Frank T and his silly arguments completely out of the water!

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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