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Political appointee at IRS Busted ! "Rogue operation" was a lie.
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Jul 18, 2013 21:42:32   #
JBTaylor Loc: In hiding again
 
So it wasn't a rogue operation by the Cincinnati. The extra politically motivated scrutiny of conservative groups' applications involved the chief counsel of the IRS, one of only two Obama political appointees in the entire agency. And recommendations by professional career employees were ignored for political reasons.

So much for the "they were just doing their job" defense by ole sarg and others. That was a lie.

From http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324448104578614220949743916.html?mod=opinion_newsreel

Peggy Noonan wrote:
Q: "Did the senior adviser to Ms. Lerner indicate to you whether she agreed with your recommendations?

A: "She did not say whether she agreed or not. She said it should go to chief counsel."

Q: "The IRS chief counsel?"

A: "The IRS chief counsel."

The IRS chief counsel is named William Wilkins. And again, he is one of only two Obama political appointees in the IRS.

and

Peggy Noonan wrote:
So: What the IRS originally claimed was a rogue operation now reaches up not only to the Washington office, but into the office of the IRS chief counsel himself.


Peggy Noonan wrote:

Rep. Trey Gowdy, a South Carolina Republican, finally woke the proceedings up with what he called "the evolution of the defense" since the scandal began. First, Ms. Lerner planted a question at a conference. Then she said the Cincinnati office did it—a narrative that was advanced by the president's spokesman, Jay Carney. Then came the suggestion the IRS was too badly managed to pull off a sophisticated conspiracy. Then the charge that liberal groups were targeted too—"we did it against both ends of the political spectrum." When the inspector general of the IRS said no, it was conservative groups that were targeted, he came under attack. Now the defense is that the White House wasn't involved, so case closed.

This is one Republican who is right about evolution.
br Rep. Trey Gowdy, a South Carolina Republican, ... (show quote)


Evolution of defense is another way of describing the creation of new lies when the old ones are exposed. The same thing happened with Benghazi.

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Jul 18, 2013 21:46:29   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
I just noticed that the IRS was just as involved in investigating "liberal" groups.

It seems Issa cherry picked the data and now the whole conspiracy balloon created by the right wing is out of air and as flat as a pancake!

I guess the sky is not falling after all.

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Jul 18, 2013 22:01:47   #
heyrob Loc: Western Washington
 
ole sarg wrote:
I just noticed that the IRS was just as involved in investigating "liberal" groups.

It seems Issa cherry picked the data and now the whole conspiracy balloon created by the right wing is out of air and as flat as a pancake!

I guess the sky is not falling after all.


Please provide links to your assertion.

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Jul 18, 2013 22:41:56   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
ole sarg wrote:
I just noticed that the IRS was just as involved in investigating "liberal" groups.

It seems Issa cherry picked the data and now the whole conspiracy balloon created by the right wing is out of air and as flat as a pancake!

I guess the sky is not falling after all.



heyrob wrote:
Please provide links to your assertion.


I would be curious to see where you "just noticed" this Sarg. Were you watching TV with Barack? 8-)

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Jul 18, 2013 23:07:09   #
JBTaylor Loc: In hiding again
 
ole sarg wrote:
I just noticed that the IRS was just as involved in investigating "liberal" groups.


NO THEY WEREN'T!

ole sarg, repeating a lie does not make it true. According to testimony by IRS officials, what you are saying is just not true. You would know that if you paid attention. I'll try to make it easy for you.

Quote:
House investigators soon talked to workers in the Cincinnati office, who said everything they did came from Washington. Elizabeth Hofacre, in charge of processing tea-party applications in Cincinnati, told investigators that her work was overseen and directed by a lawyer in the IRS Washington office named Carter Hull.

Now comes Mr. Hull's testimony. And like Ms. Hofacre, he pointed his finger upward. Mr. Hull—a 48-year IRS veteran and an expert on tax exemption law—told investigators that tea-party applications under his review were sent upstairs within the Washington office, at the direction of Lois Lerner.
House investigators soon talked to workers in the ... (show quote)


Hmm, maybe there's a clue as to why Lois Lerner invoked the 5th amendment.

Quote:
In April 2010, Hull was assigned to scrutinize certain tea-party applications. He requested more information from the groups. After he received responses, he felt he knew enough to determine whether the applications should be approved or denied.

But his recommendations were not carried out.

Michael Seto, head of Mr. Hull's unit, also spoke to investigators. He told them Lois Lerner made an unusual decision: Tea-arty applications would undergo additional scrutiny—a multilayered review.
In April 2010, Hull was assigned to scrutinize cer... (show quote)


and

Quote:
Ms. Hofacre of the Cincinnati office testified that when she was given tea-party applications, she had to kick them upstairs. When she was given non-tea-party applications, they were sent on for normal treatment. Was she told to send liberal or progressive groups for special scrutiny? No, she did not scrutinize the applications of liberal or progressive groups. "I would send those to general inventory." Who got extra scrutiny? "They were all tea-party and patriot cases." She became "very frustrated" by the "micromanagement" from Washington. "It was like working in lost luggage." She applied to be transferred.

For his part, Mr. Hull backed up what he'd told House investigators. He described what was, essentially, a big, lengthy runaround in the Washington office in which no one was clear as to their reasons but everything was delayed. The multitiered scrutiny of the targeted groups was, he said, "unusual."
Ms. Hofacre of the Cincinnati office testified tha... (show quote)


Does that sound like equal treatment of conservative groups and liberal groups? Of course not!

This was a political operation from the top by a corrupt administration.

sarg, repeating a lie doesn't make it true no matter how many times you repeat it. Give it up.

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Jul 18, 2013 23:57:21   #
heyrob Loc: Western Washington
 
JBTaylor wrote:
Does that sound like equal treatment of conservative groups and liberal groups? Of course not!

This was a political operation from the top by a corrupt administration.

sarg, repeating a lie doesn't make it true no matter how many times you repeat it. Give it up.


Sarg is an ideologue, no amount of fact or reason will change his mind. It's made up, might as well quit trying to confuse him with facts.

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Jul 19, 2013 08:06:32   #
sye Loc: The Old Dominion Near DC
 
Wasn't there a similar something nicknamed " THe Watergate Scandal" a couple of decades ago that resulted in the resignation of a REPUBLICAN President?

How come no one has demanded the resignation of the incumbent President, a DEMOCRAT, yet?

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Jul 19, 2013 08:39:01   #
heyrob Loc: Western Washington
 
sye wrote:
Wasn't there a similar something nicknamed " THe Watergate Scandal" a couple of decades ago that resulted in the resignation of a REPUBLICAN President?

How come no one has demanded the resignation of the incumbent President, a DEMOCRAT, yet?


There have been, but not by any Democrats that I'm aware of. Democrats seem to be of a mindset that if anything doesn't go along with their agenda they will scream and throw fits. However, no matter how unconstitutional or otherwise unlawful, if it pushes toward their leftist goals, then all is fair in love and war.

Look at the whole Martin/Zimmerman thing, they scream racism, and murder, while ignoring the facts that prove the opposite is true. They continue to repeat these lies over and over to keep that narrative in the forefront, and then demonstrate and even get politicians all the way to Obama himself involved in what doesn't deserve anything more than a local news blurb. This is their MO on every level.

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Jul 19, 2013 08:40:15   #
TrainNut Loc: Ridin' the rails
 
ole sarg wrote:
I just noticed that the IRS was just as involved in investigating "liberal" groups.

It seems Issa cherry picked the data and now the whole conspiracy balloon created by the right wing is out of air and as flat as a pancake!

I guess the sky is not falling after all.


Another lie . Make them up as you go.
Cover your ass.

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Jul 19, 2013 09:21:34   #
sye Loc: The Old Dominion Near DC
 
Can it be ? Are the members of the Republican party more honorable than the memebrs of the Democratic party.

It appears so. Nixon fessed up to his guilt and resigned, whereas the incumbent has his minions admit their guilt and face the consequences.

I can't help to keep harkening back to Operation Fast and Furious when an underling fessed up to not letting his BATF agents do their job to arrest those straw purchasers. The Attorney General remains as innocent as the driven snow.

I'm sorry, am I being racist?

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Jul 19, 2013 11:32:24   #
heyrob Loc: Western Washington
 
sye wrote:
I'm sorry, am I being racist?


It would appear so, if you criticize a black and your skin is anything but, and especially if it's white, then you're automatically a racist.

I think them's the rules!

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Jul 19, 2013 12:44:36   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
ole sarg wrote:
I just noticed that the IRS was just as involved in investigating "liberal" groups.

It seems Issa cherry picked the data and now the whole conspiracy balloon created by the right wing is out of air and as flat as a pancake!

I guess the sky is not falling after all.


why do you lie so much?? they have even admitted it!!!

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Jul 19, 2013 12:48:27   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
sye wrote:
Wasn't there a similar something nicknamed " THe Watergate Scandal" a couple of decades ago that resulted in the resignation of a REPUBLICAN President?

How come no one has demanded the resignation of the incumbent President, a DEMOCRAT, yet?


do you really think Eric the Holder & Barry Hussein would resign under ANY circumstance??They are totally above the law!!!!
if you dont believe that just ask them!!!!

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Jul 19, 2013 15:42:21   #
alaskan
 
heyrob wrote:
There have been, but not by any Democrats that I'm aware of. Democrats seem to be of a mindset that if anything doesn't go along with their agenda they will scream and throw fits. However, no matter how unconstitutional or otherwise unlawful, if it pushes toward their leftist goals, then all is fair in love and war.

Look at the whole Martin/Zimmerman thing, they scream racism, and murder, while ignoring the facts that prove the opposite is true. They continue to repeat these lies over and over to keep that narrative in the forefront, and then demonstrate and even get politicians all the way to Obama himself involved in what doesn't deserve anything more than a local news blurb. This is their MO on every level.
There have been, but not by any Democrats that I'm... (show quote)


Right on! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jul 19, 2013 17:31:46   #
KW Conch Loc: USA
 
heyrob wrote:
Please provide links to your assertion.


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/06/irs-targeted-liberal-groups-for-scrutiny-too.html

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