magicray Loc: Tampa Bay, Florida

YA! GREAT PEOPLE, dude! (-1)

magicray Loc: Tampa Bay, Florida

:lol: :thumbup:

ddeufemia

With Obama as Pres, Zim hasn't seen his last day in court or prizon with the other boyz.

magicray Loc: Tampa Bay, Florida

For sure. Aren't you off the topic?

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phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

Hey Magic, I'm not even sure there is a topic anymore
:P

UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA

I agree with him and I am!

UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA

Not even cute

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

If shooting someone in aggression, yes, it is an attack. The evidence seems to show that Martin, whose supporters unanimously insist he had done nothing wrong, had in fact pummeled the man who shot him. The charges of Zimmerman illegally harassing him and giving Martin legal reason to hit Zimmerman is not supported by the evidence, unless we can twist it from here to the Moon and back. Essentially, the prosecution's case holds that Zimmerman was a racist profiler who decided to execute a person he suspected of criminal intent. To maintain this stance they had to ignore the general trajectory of the evidence, which indicates that the shooting was in response to what Martin did to Zimmerman.

Holding Zimmerman responsible for causing this incident, considering he had not inflicted any injuries on Martin before th fatal shot, and that he was director of the community's Neighborhood Watch requires enormous leaps of faith. Although not admissible in court, Zimmerman consented to voice stress tests, which showed no deception on his part. When the police attempted to intimidate him into changing his story by claiming they had uncovered a video of the event, he indicated that was good, as it would vindicate him.

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

BMac already explained this one. Even though people were beginning to gather around the scene, Zimmerman rubbed his back onto the ground so it would manifest grass stains, broke his own nose, blackened his own eyes, bruised his checks, etc. Prior to that, to make it look to witnesses that he was on the receiving end of an assault, he had changed clothes with Martin in order to make it appear that it was Martin atop him, instead of vice versa, then changed the clothes back again without anyone noticing all this.

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

It amazes me that anyone would expect Zimmerman to continue absorbing an assault he could not know would stop before he was permanently injured or killed. What does justify using deadly force, if the assailant has actually killed his victim?

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

Your statement is factually and logically flawed. Driving a fist into someone's face and head can and does kill people. Just a couple days ago a black man put a white antagonist in a coma with a single punch. Periodically, boxers die in the ring, even though their punches are blunted by padded gloves, and a referee is there to stop the fight when it looks like one of them has been rendered helpless.

In mixed martial arts the fighters are more often knocked totally unconscious than in boxing. The primary reason for this must be that MMA fighters can punch a man who is down. When the victim's head is pinned to the ground, the neck and shoulders cannot sway back to absorb some of the shock from the punches. In a street fight, hitting a man who is down on the ground brings into play the same dynamics.

You expected Zimmerman to just take his beating, and undoubtedly hold him responsible for Martin's death. This is a double standard which grants Martin the right to pummel someone whose provocations are purely conjectural, and who had not harmed Martin in any way before the fatal shot, but denies Zimmerman the right to self defense, even though there is no reasonable doubt that Martin was assaulting him.

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

Twardlow: A man with no authority, blamed a young man of (sic) some crime.

Nagy: This is an example of how truth can be used to deceive. Zimmerman was not a random individual who happened along; he was director of the community's Neighborhood Watch program. Moreover, he did not need any authority at all to confront Martin about what he was doing; anyone can do that.

Twardlow: Against the wishes of the police department, and with vivid racial epithets which proved animus, he followed and harassed an innocent party.

Nagy: The police dispatcher had no authority to tell him what to do. Moreover, by doing what they said, any security becomes ineffective. Following and identifying people they suspect is exactly what they are supposed to do.

"Vivid racial epithets" is a reference to Zimmerman's comments about "fucking punks," which NBC edited to portray Zimmerman poorly, and which they outright misinterpreted to be "fucking coons."

Twardlow: In the face of this young man, he got out of his car, which no prudent individual would do, leading to a fight between two men of roughly equal age and size.

Nagy: "In the face of this young man?" what does that mean? Your idea of what is prudent has no legal validity, and in fact is not reasonable. Security personnel are ineffective if they merely stay in cars and watch from dozens of yards away when they see something they suspect. Moreover, you imply that merely confronting Martin non-violently was what led to the fight. Zimmerman inflicted no injuries on Martin, and no one testified they saw him hitting Martin. The evidence only indicates that Martin beat up a man who had not harmed him.

Twardlow: That fight was on grass, a benign arena, several feet from concrete.

The assumption is that no serious injury was likely, and the fight was like hundreds of others that take place in every city, and every night.

During that fight, Zimmerman wore a pistol in an inside-pants-holster, behind his back, covered by his shirt-tail and jacket.

[Probably in a panic], Zimmerman pulled out his pistol, without sufficient reason, and which no prudent person would do, and killed his opponent.

Nagy: Laws can be very irrational. Certainly, black people have been victimized by them, such as by the Fugitive Slave Act, but your law would be good competition for the worst of them. It factspeaks about a "fight" not being a serious threat to injure anyone. Actually, a broken nose is not something anyone is obliged to endure from an assailant. Moreover, many fights result in knockouts, since they are not fought with padded gloves, and there is no referee to stop one of the participants when he has rendered his opponent helpless. A knockout is a major, serious brain trauma that can lead to serious neurological problems later. Additionally, it is not that hard to beat someone to death, especially if he is being pummeled after being knocked out.

Twardlow: There was animus shown, and irresponsibility using a gun, leading to the murder of an innocent boy, demanding a verdict of second degree murder.

Nagy: Martin was innocent only in the sense that he was not tried post mortem for aggravated assault. The evidence, however, very strongly indicates his guilt. Zimmerman's animus, as you call it, was one of the major arguments of the prosecution. Their conclusion was that since Zimmerman complained of "fucking punks" getting away with their crimes, therefore he decided to take the law into his hands that night. I have used far more preemptive language to describe burglars than that, yet have never shot someone, or planned to shoot someone. Zimmerman was angry, therefore he killed someone in cold blood is a non sequitur given the evidence that he absorbed a one-sided beating before shooting his assailant.

UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA

Where did the bit about him being the director of he neighborhood watch come from, he was an unauthorized snoop thats all.

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

Three days ago a black man with a single punch knocked out a drunk white man who was spouting racism at him. The man was temporarily in critical condition. Amazing though, that some people, to promote their version of advocacy jurisprudence can wave away with a few words the dangers of being beaten by an unarmed person.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Ummm maybe from court testimony... He may have not followed the guidelines of the program, but he definitely was part of that communities watch group as he worked directly with the Sanford Police Dept. to set the program up in his neighborhood.