Another Florida shooting--police marksmanship
Jul 13, 2013 09:55:50 #
Twardlow
Loc: Arkansas
He said the officers spotted Tutt riding a bicycle and asked to search him. He began to comply but pulled a weapon, believed to be a semi-automatic .45, and started shooting.
"He just busted out with his firearm at the deputies," Judd said.
The officers returned fire and the suspect went down. He grabbed for his weapon and gunfire once again broke out.
"This was a gunfght in very close range - within three or four feet," Judd said.
Nearly two dozen shots were fired. Judd said Tutt was shot seven times. The two deputies received a a total of seven gunshot wounds.
Someone missed almost ten times within 3-4 Feet!
Read more: http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_polk/lakeland/2-polk-county-deputies-shot;-suspect-killed#ixzz2YvwE1YQi
"He just busted out with his firearm at the deputies," Judd said.
The officers returned fire and the suspect went down. He grabbed for his weapon and gunfire once again broke out.
"This was a gunfght in very close range - within three or four feet," Judd said.
Nearly two dozen shots were fired. Judd said Tutt was shot seven times. The two deputies received a a total of seven gunshot wounds.
Someone missed almost ten times within 3-4 Feet!
Read more: http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_polk/lakeland/2-polk-county-deputies-shot;-suspect-killed#ixzz2YvwE1YQi
Jul 13, 2013 10:12:13 #
Jul 13, 2013 11:39:47 #
traveler90712 wrote:
Apparently you have never been in a close range fire fight.
As a former LEO I'll second that comment!
Jul 13, 2013 13:07:11 #
National average in a police shooting is 5 feet.
Hit ratio is 20%.
excitement, adrenaline, fear, etc.
how well would an untrained person do?
Hit ratio is 20%.
excitement, adrenaline, fear, etc.
how well would an untrained person do?
Jul 13, 2013 13:54:18 #
Twardlow
Loc: Arkansas
traveler90712 wrote:
Apparently you have never been in a close range fire fight.
You think this is professional shooting?
Jul 13, 2013 15:42:32 #
Twardlow wrote:
You think this is professional shooting?
Until you have experienced a close range fire fight, as several have already stated, I wouldn't go pointing any fingers.
Who is to say they are professionals? And they are professionals but, just because they wear a uniform and carry badges, don't make them experienced in close range combat. As stated before, excitement, adrenaline, fear play a large part. The hit count, even for those who are experienced, is not that great.
Jul 13, 2013 16:45:53 #
Jul 13, 2013 17:06:57 #
Twardlow
Loc: Arkansas
traveler90712 wrote:
Until you have experienced a close range fire fight, as several have already stated, I wouldn't go pointing any fingers.
Who is to say they are professionals? And they are professionals but, just because they wear a uniform and carry badges, don't make them experienced in close range combat. As stated before, excitement, adrenaline, fear play a large part. The hit count, even for those who are experienced, is not that great.
Who is to say they are professionals? And they are professionals but, just because they wear a uniform and carry badges, don't make them experienced in close range combat. As stated before, excitement, adrenaline, fear play a large part. The hit count, even for those who are experienced, is not that great.
That is about what I was saying...
Jul 13, 2013 20:10:50 #
pbearperry wrote:
I believe Twardlow is confused with Hollywood Cops.
Poor lad has never had the honor of training in the military or police.
Clearly he has never suffered the experience of facing gunfire.
Any clown can be a Monday morning quarterback
Jul 13, 2013 20:16:11 #
Bruce with a Canon wrote:
Poor lad has never had the honor of training in the military or police.
Clearly he has never suffered the experience of facing gunfire.
Any clown can be a Monday morning quarterback
Clearly he has never suffered the experience of facing gunfire.
Any clown can be a Monday morning quarterback
Does XBOX count?
Jul 13, 2013 20:17:34 #
pbearperry wrote:
Does XBOX count?
Only with your strong hand behind your back LOL
Jul 14, 2013 06:36:45 #
let us not forget how fast and full the pants get as well in that situation nothing clears the system like having the s scared out of you....
I have told many ARM CHAIR QUARTERBACKS WANNABE'S, till you been there shut up... when the crap and bullets are flying training goes out the window in a heart beat.....
i survived 30 yrs; i tell people i will not die my hair... i earned my gray hair one by one......
few years ago a home invasion was attempted the suspect and home owner... at three to four feet from each other.... they emptied their guns at each other NEITHER HIT EACH OTHER..... only reason the home owner eventually won he had a spare gun behind the door
I have told many ARM CHAIR QUARTERBACKS WANNABE'S, till you been there shut up... when the crap and bullets are flying training goes out the window in a heart beat.....
i survived 30 yrs; i tell people i will not die my hair... i earned my gray hair one by one......
few years ago a home invasion was attempted the suspect and home owner... at three to four feet from each other.... they emptied their guns at each other NEITHER HIT EACH OTHER..... only reason the home owner eventually won he had a spare gun behind the door
Jul 14, 2013 06:45:32 #
AFTER WATCHING THE VIDEO HAVE ONE THING TO SAY
I LIKE THAT SHERIFF ESPECIALLY WHEN ASKED HOW MANY SHOT FIRE HE SAID ENOUGH THAT WAS COOL
I LIKE THAT SHERIFF ESPECIALLY WHEN ASKED HOW MANY SHOT FIRE HE SAID ENOUGH THAT WAS COOL
Jul 14, 2013 06:54:36 #
Twardlow wrote:
He said the officers spotted Tutt riding a bicycle... (show quote)
Years ago during my POST training, we were shown a video of a bank robbery. In this video an officer comes on the scene as the robbery is taking place. The robber turns and fires at the officer, the officer 15 feet away draws his weapon and returns fire. Both parties emptied their weapons and when the smoke cleared, both were still facing each other uninjured with empty weapons.
The instructors told us "Don't laugh, this is not uncommon and it could be you some day".
Jul 14, 2013 07:01:23 #
You are spot ON gfinnstrom!! As a retired LEO and firearms trainer, swat trainer and sniper trainer one cannot criticize unless one has been in their shoes. These guys are thinking all the time; cover, concealment, what is my surroundings, what happens when I shoot, where will the bullets go? Etc, etc! I can tell you war stories where persons were shot or shot at with return fire from close ranges and no one was hit.
More training should be at close range in scenes that depict reality not just shooting at a target from the 3, 5, 7, 15 & 25 yard line while standing or kneeling!
One incident when both, suspect and victim were out of bullets in an attempt robbery, gun fire exchange, the store owner actually hit the suspect on the head for the capture!
Get well quick deputies!! As the Sheriff said, it was a good night and a bad night, but both of my deputies will survive and be with their families. We feel sorry for the deceased and his family.
More training should be at close range in scenes that depict reality not just shooting at a target from the 3, 5, 7, 15 & 25 yard line while standing or kneeling!
One incident when both, suspect and victim were out of bullets in an attempt robbery, gun fire exchange, the store owner actually hit the suspect on the head for the capture!
Get well quick deputies!! As the Sheriff said, it was a good night and a bad night, but both of my deputies will survive and be with their families. We feel sorry for the deceased and his family.
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