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Jul 7, 2013 13:54:25   #
marty wild Loc: England
 
I went the other way AM CB radio in the UK which was illegal they was all on import form U.S.A. The importers must have made a killing. (LOL) But I remember my mates having all the computers stated. A trip down memory lane quality.

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Jul 7, 2013 13:56:32   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Carl A wrote:
Anyone remember the Commodre 64 of the 80's
What do you have now


Way back when...in the 1980's I worked for Jack Trameil marketing his Atari home computers after he had left Commodore. They were quite advanced for their day. Technology increased and well, the rest is history.

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Jul 7, 2013 14:00:57   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
Carl A wrote:
Anyone remember the Commodre 64 of the 80's
What do you have now


I had a desktop Commodore and a portable "laptop" Commodore 64 with 5" color CRT screen built in and snap on keyboard that doubled as a screen protector - which you certainly wouldn't want to sit on your lap. It was as big as an oscilloscope. Probably a Tectronix oscilloscope case now that I think about it.

I also had an Atari 400 and Atari 800. My brother had a Texas Instrument something that was just as useless. Throughout all of these I achieved word processing, MIDI sequencing, playing simple games, and learning BASIC programming - that was about it. A total waste during that era of thousands of dollars in total.

Then I graduated to the Apple II, IIc, and IIgs before Apple screwed me. They promised a "crossover" plug-in board to run 16-bit Mac software if I bought the IIgs and then discontinued the board before they even produced it. Clearly a con job to dump the IIgs. That's where I learned to distrust Steve Jobs because Wozniak opposed the Mac concept from the beginning. After that I sold the bastardized IIgs for 1/3 of what I paid for it, and joined the PC world with a used IBM with an Intel 8088 1MHz CPU and a Seagate 20MB hard drive (huge by the standards of the day) and never looked back.

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Jul 7, 2013 14:02:25   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
RixPix wrote:
Way back when...in the 1980's I worked for Jack Trameil marketing his Atari home computers after he had left Commodore. They were quite advanced for their day. Technology increased and well, the rest is history.


Whatever happened to him? The move from Commodore to Atari seemed smooth but then it didn't work out but I didn't hear where he moved to next.

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Jul 7, 2013 14:03:02   #
the Scottsman Loc: Roseland, new jersey
 
I was very happy with my "64" and it's 1541 hard drive plus the 300 baud internet connection.

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Jul 7, 2013 14:10:46   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
Wellhiem wrote:
I remember when a 1.4 Mb floppy disc cost the best part of a weeks wages.


Worse yet, that 3.5" disk was the later incarnation of the one-sided 784K floppy that it replaced. And those were both the later incarnations of the 5.25" truly-floppy floppy disk they replaced.

At one time Wang used a 10" floppy disk that truly was a flexible floppy disk. Floppy thin plastic similar to what you would see if you tore open a later technology 5.25" floppy. The Wang 10" disk had no cover and was stored in a plastic sleeve like a vinyl record album that resided in a cardboard box that could sit on a shelf. You laid it in a drawer of a Wang word processor and the drawer closed to spin it just like a Pioneer Laser Disk player. Anybody remember that Wang or Laser Disk players?

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Jul 7, 2013 14:11:27   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
Crwiwy wrote:
You were very modern - I had to use about 25 x 8" (really) floppy disks to reload the system!

The early domestic computers used cassette tapes.
The first floppy disk drive I had took 5" floppy disks.


5.25"

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Jul 7, 2013 14:12:39   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
TrainNut wrote:
My first computer was a Texas Instruments TI 994A. Loved it. So much better than all the others of its time.


My brother still has one in it's original box in a closet.

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Jul 7, 2013 14:18:39   #
Murray Loc: New Westminster
 
TrainNut wrote:
My first computer was a Texas Instruments TI 994A. Loved it. So much better than all the others of its time.

Me too. I did my first online legal research on that. Took till 3 a.m., but worked out well!

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Jul 7, 2013 14:24:49   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
Carl A wrote:
I worked on some computers in the 70's They
had large electrolytic filter capacitors and used
crossbar switch's . some times one of the capacitors
would blow due to a miss wire. These computers
filled up a large room. Not sure how much memory
they had.


Don't forget that they were vacuum tube. No hard drives for storage - just punch cards and tapes. No memory. Filter caps bigger than (3) three-pound coffee cans stacked up. 450 to 600 volts D.C. on the tubes. There was one of four of the originals ever made in Toledo at the Owens-Illinois headquarters. They got government grants of $250,000+ per year to research the thing up until the mid-1980s for some unknown reason. You know how the government is about million dollar decade long research grants for things like measuring the drip rate of catsup (ketchup?) out of a bottle neck at various downward angles.

The whole building floor sized computer required 18 air conditioners on the roof, student interns running around with small shopping carts full of tubes to replace with as they blew, and constant maintenance. Unfortunately it only had the same abilities as a handheld 4-function calculator that we now get free for opening a bank checking account. An Asian with an abacus could have probably out-calculated the beast and done it faster.

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Jul 7, 2013 14:25:27   #
Papa Joe Loc: Midwest U.S.
 
Tarfun wrote:
This is testing the limits of my rusty memory.

Yes. TRS stood for Tandy/Radio Shack (the companies merged). In that process we eventually lost access to a host of leather goods sold in Tandy stores.

They marketed their computer as "Radio Shack Color Computer," or "Rainbow Computer." Those of us in the baby computer fraternity referred to them TRS-80 (or Trash80) computers. Its CPU was a Motorola 6809 (a prototype for Motorola's later 68000 series of chips).

It was my first computer. Radio Shack Basic provided me an opportunity to learn something about programming.

Somewhere along the line I encountered the Mandelbrot Fractal, and related articles in Scientific American. Using that little computer coupled to a 5-inch floppy, I managed to create a program to render the Mandelbrot Fractal. The deeper one probed into the fractal, the longer it took to render an image; sometimes several weeks! The 6809 was not a fast chip.

One little known fact about the TRS80 was that it could run multiple windows. It was neat to switch between them to see what was happening, even if only inconsequential.

Many TRS80 users at the time regretted that the Color Computer was marketed solely as a game machine. We thought that if T/RS had promoted its technical capabilities, and kept developing the machine in that direction, they might have emerged as a name brand PC manufacturer.
This is testing the limits of my rusty memory. br ... (show quote)


Hi Tarfun,
The Color Computer had fantastic capability, aside from being a 'game computer'... When the '3' came out, it worked excellent using the OS-9 operating system. I used it for several years and never once played a game on it... it was great for Word Processing, Database work, etc. I believe it was way ahead of its time. OS-9, (as I'm sure you're aware of), is a derivation of the same OS that was used in the early space endeavors. Those were fun days, seeing the industry grow.

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Jul 7, 2013 14:26:36   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
BboH wrote:
And the Tandy - was it the TRS80?


Yes, it was.

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Jul 7, 2013 14:29:42   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
wierdphotoguy wrote:
Wow, I'm surprised no one has mentioned their steam driven, coal fired computer that was the size of a box car! :-)

When I told my son about the games we used to play on Atari and Commodore 64, he couldn't fathom not having a game without a Playstation controller.

Actually, I was born with the best computer I ever owned. Sure its not that fast, and the memory is getting faulty now, but I never had a crash or a virus. I reboot every night and power it up with coffee in the morning. Best of all I never have to pay Bill Gates to upgrade the OS.
Wow, I'm surprised no one has mentioned their stea... (show quote)


If you haven't had a crash you're not old enough yet then. Of course somebody on here will claim that your computer you were born with is an Apple.

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Jul 7, 2013 14:30:10   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
ole sarg wrote:
There is nothing like an Osborne!


That's for sure...

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Jul 7, 2013 14:30:22   #
newwbe Loc: St. Louis MO
 
I remenber back in college in the late 60's. We had a guest speaker. She was one of the designers for the en-vac that reseeded the unavac for the Navy. She showed us pictures . It took up a complete room and had a second room for the water cooling system and wires the size of your arms. She said it took three days to change the program. You had to reconfigure the cables. Than she held up a pocket calculate r and then told us this will do more faster than en-vac.

Time do change.

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