TrainNut Loc: Ridin' the rails

"Jesus said “Put down your weapons.”"
I can not find that. Could you please provide a Bible verse?

Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA

It could be that they are referring to Jesus telling Peter to put away his sword when they came to arrest Him. Matt 26:52 of course it's taken out of context.

ted45 Loc: Delaware

You are correct about Glass Steagall. However it was Clinton that declared the act to be "antiquated". Clinton was far better at compromise and getting cooperation from both sides of the fence than Obama is.

You are also correct about the drop in new illegals and stricter border patrol under Obama. The lack of enforcement started long before he took office. My point is that we need enforcement of the laws we have now instead of new ones. If the current immigration law is inadequate then it should be revised not just replaced with a new law. More importantly, law makers should be reading and understanding what they are voting for.

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

“You Might Be A Democrat If: You believe that there was no art before Federal funding.”

This must be a response to the outrage against Bush administration cutting of funds for all things cultural. While it is true that there is art without government, the statement is still deceptive. Government sponsorship of art, architecture, and other cultural activities has produced some of the most spectacular examples in history. Examples are the Great Pyramid, the Parthenon, Colloseum, the paintings on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapell, the sculpture on mt. Rushmore.

“You Might Be A Democrat If: You believe that it is alright for you to lie to further your point of view, but it is wrong for other people to tell the truth to further an opposing point of view.”

What politician does not lie? Beyond that, the GOP has far more incentive to lie, because while both parties promote the plutocratic interest over the national interest, the Republicans are far more extreme in denying even crumbs to the untermenschen.

“You Might Be A Democrat If: You believe that it is O.K. for illegal immigrants to live in the United States as long as they live very, very far away from you.”

The facts are that the Democrats who you pretend are soft on illegal immigration have a strong record on this, especially recently. Under Bush II illegal immigration was sky high, and some years exceeded a million. Under Obama the illegal population is now diminishing.

“You Might Be A Democrat If: You believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical, documented changes in the earth's climate, and are caused by soccer moms driving SUVs.”

Childish nonsense. An overwhelming majority of climate scientists have concluded that global warming is real and caused by man. Your “competing theory” comes from a minority of sellouts whose funding comes from polluting industries. It has all the validity of a competing theory against the mathematical axiom, that 1+1+2. Your competing theory would be that 1+1=3.

“You Might Be A Democrat If: You believe that gender roles are artificial, but being homosexual is natural.”

Why even bother with this? Whatever is natural or artificial is irrelevant. if a woman wants to pursue something you ascribe to a man, just let her. If some people want to engage in homosexual activity, why even worry if it is natural or acquired? If you don’t like homosexuality, do not engage in it.

“You Might Be A Democrat If: You are against capital punishment, but support abortion on demand and instantly pulling the plug on anyone who falls into a coma.”

I would not venture a conjecture about when human life actually begins. Nor would I try to force that judgment on others. As to pulling the plug instantly because of coma, that is deliberate, mendacious hyperbole. Plugs are pulled not for all comatose patients, but those who have been medically ruled brain dead.

“You Might Be A Democrat If: You believe that businesses create oppression, and governments create prosperity.

More partisan propaganda. Businesses indeed do oppress, especially if they can enlist the government to help them do it, and that is exactly what they try to do. The separation between business and government is just a mendacious GOP postulation used in electioneering, but not actually practiced. GOP candidates spew hatred of the government even as they do all they can to attain important political offices. Then they use the office to empower businesses to do whatever they want. Eisenhower warned about the “military/industrial complex.” He should have included more than just the weapons contractors in his warning.

“You Might Be A Democrat If: You believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do.”

Why did you bother writing this? Hunters care about nature? Gunning down defenseless animals is the proof of this? As to activists -we can assume green activists- how and why are they loony?

“You Might Be A Democrat If: You believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.”

What exactly do you mean?

“You Might Be A Democrat If: You believe that the military, not corrupt politicians, start wars.”

Huh? How have you determined this to be a Democratic trait?

“You Might Be A Democrat If: You believe it was O.K. for Bill Clinton to send U.S. troops into a new war without Congress' approval every nine weeks, but it is wrong for a Republican President to send troops anywhere, even with Congress' approval.

Facts, please.

“You Might Be A Democrat If: You believe it is O.K. for a Democrat to lie, cheat, and steal, because their heart is in the right place, but any Republican should be thrown into federal prison for incorrect spelling.

These are becoming more and more hilarious. I bet most Democrats would settle for doing a drive-by tutorial on a Republican who misspelled something. As to lying, how about a quote from the great Gipper about Iran Contra: “A few months ago I told the American people that I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not.”

“You Might Be A Democrat If: You believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.

Those who hate the NRA do not do so based on any abstract support of the Constitution, but on its insistence on obstructing all laws that might reduce the unacceptably high number of American gun deaths. The Second Amendment is rather unclearly written, thus open for interpretation. Comparing this to the ACLU’s defense of those who have subjected to due process and equal protection of the law violations is sophistry.

“You Might Be A Democrat If: You believe that every plan Republicans make is a bad idea, but you cannot form any plan of your own whatsoever.”

Repuboican ideas are actually great, but only for the plutocracy,. For the rest of us they are a gift-wrapped disaster.

“You Might Be A Democrat If: You believe that giving the government complete control over everything you do is a good idea.”

This is a quintessentially Republican talking point designed to defend the deregulation of everything, which is usually followed by the bankruptcy of entire industries, and finally a massive bailout. The final part is the denial that the deregulation had anything to do with the destruction of the industry.

“You Might Be A Democrat If: You believe that the entire Patriot Act is wrong even though you've never taken five minutes to read it on the Internet.

Apparently you did not read it, either. It is 363 pages long, and you cannot read that in five minutes.

“You Might Be A Democrat If: You believe that the only reason that socialism fails whenever it's been tried is because people like you haven't been in charge.

Democrats are not socialists. If they were, they would not be given so much campaign money by capitalists. This is part of the idiotic GOP charge that even the slightest concession to social welfare programs makes a person a socialist. Ergo, Obama is a socialist, because he has not attempted totally to dismantle all welfare programs for which individuals are eligible. On the other hand, far greater socialism for the wealthy and their criminal corporations is all right by the GOP.

“You Might Be A Democrat If: You believe that this list is part of a vast, right-wing conspiracy.

It is not a very well conceived manifesto, however, because so many of the items on it are too cartoonesque, even for Comedians Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly.

Many of the items on the list are so crazy I did not even bother with them. The scary thing is that there will be an abundance of nuts from your choir who praise the hell out of it as the most brilliant political writing they have seen since John Locke’s Two Treatises of Government.

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

No, spending so much time arguing here instead of promoting my businesses makes me nervous. Realizing that American problems have bipartisan causes is a first step toward eventual solutions.

jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ

There is no getting rid of nutjobs in either party. You just need to recognize them and either ignore them or prove them wrong with tangible evidence - and I don't mean all the bull shit out of context words that people say. Hell, when I was married my wife was good at taking what I say/said and turning it around to suit her. Many people are like that.
Most, if not all, politicians lie. We just have to prove them wrong or vote them out. The system is broken and we need someone that can fix it.

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

To a slightly lesser extent my comments would apply to the Democrats, too. Both serve the plutocratic interest over the national interest, but they have different strategies to keep the masses from rebelling. The GOP prefers to divide and conquer, by placing them at each others' throats over school prayer, gay rights, abortion, and whatever other single volatile, but not basically economic issues. The Democrats, on the other hand, believe in the old Roman Senatorial adage of "bread and circuses." Let a few economic crumbs trickle down to the masses from rebelling.

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

How has illegal immigration been effectively stopped by the non-enforcement of immigration laws?

TrainNut Loc: Ridin' the rails

You are so right. If people open their eyes instead of blindly following "their" party this would be a better country.

Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA

AMEN! :thumbup:

ted45 Loc: Delaware

I can only speak for Pennsylvania. The largest source of funding for conservation and protection of wildlife is from hunters and fishermen. "Defenseless animals"? Hardly. A deer can hear and smell a human from a mile or more away. They have instincts that more than equal the meager "hunting skills" possessed by the average hunter. In 2011 there were in excess of 900,000 hunting licenses issued in PA. Deer is the most popular target in the State and the harvest for 2011 was just 127,930. Keep in mind the real hunters had more than one kill. The largest number of hunters entering the wild is on opening day. The vast number of hunters never fire their weapons. Some never kill a deer or any other game in their entire lives. Hunting and fishing in PA is a social sport. It is a chance to get away with some friends and relax. The amount of money contributed to conservation by hunters and fishermen in PA is in excess of 5 billion annually. The PA Game Commission encourages hunting as a way of keeping wildlife numbers within manageable numbers. The result of no hunting is over population, starvation, and uncontrolled spread of disease among all wildlife.

The "green activists" you referred to engage in protest marches, throwing blood on people wearing fur, and general civil disobedience. Not all of them but a majority. Total amount contributed by animal rights groups to conservation, unknown. They do not disclose what or if they contribute. PETA spends far more on legal fees and management staff than they do on conservation.

So, yes, hunters and fishermen are the truest and most dedicated conservationists.

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

You cannot weed out when there are only weeds in the patch.

TrainNut Loc: Ridin' the rails

:idea: Burn the weed patch. :idea:

raymondh Loc: Walker, MI

And the one reason why it's so easy to be a Democrat?
I no longer have to be responsible because the government will take from those who are and supply me with my every want & need.

silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.

Please dont get sucked into the "the Bible says this and the Bible says that" thing. there will be no end and the Bible people will not give up. They have too much to prove.