Raw and Jpg: OK, what is it that I'm missing? (I know.. not enough room here for you to post all that much! :) I'm absolutely 'new' when it comes to RAW, and with my SX 50 Canon, like...

Papa Joe Loc: Midwest U.S.

OK, what is it that I'm missing? (I know.. not enough room here for you to post all that much! :)
I'm absolutely 'new' when it comes to RAW, and with my SX 50 Canon, like most other cameras, I have the option to shoot both RAW and JPG simultaneously. When I select that option, I get two identical images saved on the card, but they are both saved in the CR2 format and are both the exact same size when I do a 'properties' on each of them. I may be under the wrong opinion, but I expected to see one with the CR2 extension, and the other with the .jpg extension. As I said, any idea what I'm missing?

riada22 Loc: Edinburgh - Scotland

I don't know nuch about it but i'm surprised that both are the same size as I thought that RAW was always bigger. Here's a link that I found that you can read, there are various opinions to be found on google.

http://www.whatdigitalcamera.com/techniques/features/guides/490764/raw-vs-jpeg-the-pros-and-cons-of-raw-files-or-jpeg-files.html

jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ

Papa Joe wrote:

OK, what is it that I'm missing? (I know.. not en... (show quote)

I think you should look again. I seriously don't think that Canon cameras can produce two identical cr2 images. Take a peek at the images via Windows Explorer and you should see cr2's right next to jpg's. They will probably have the exact same file name with different extensions.

What program are you trying to view your downloaded images in? Sometimes the program used stacks the jpg and cr2 together and you might see a little number in the corner of the thumbnail like a 1 or a 2. This can be a little confusing.

emmons267 Loc: Arizona, Valley of the Sun

Papa Joe wrote:

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Canon does recommend transferring RAW and JPG's using their software - EOS utility, or whatever came with your camera.

You need to either download the images to the computer using the Canon-supplied software, or use a separate card-reader - with the Compact Flash card in a card reader you'll be able to see the CR2 RAW files as well as the jpegs. A card reader also saves wear and tear on the camera's small USB connector.

Papa Joe Loc: Midwest U.S.

mfeveland wrote:

Canon does recommend transferring RAW and JPG's using their software - EOS utility, or whatever came with your camera.

You need to either download the images to the computer using the Canon-supplied software, or use a separate card-reader - with the Compact Flash card in a card reader you'll be able to see the CR2 RAW files as well as the jpegs. A card reader also saves wear and tear on the camera's small USB connector.

Yes, that's my problem... I'm seeing TWO cr2 images rather than one cr2 and one .jpg. I'm using the software supplied with the camera called Digital Photo Professional, but even when I view the contents of the card, I see the two cr2's and no jpg.
Weird!

emmons267 Loc: Arizona, Valley of the Sun

Papa Joe wrote:

Yes, that's my problem... I'm seeing TWO cr2 images rather than one cr2 and one .jpg. I'm using the software supplied with the camera called Digital Photo Professional, but even when I view the contents of the card, I see the two cr2's and no jpg.
Weird!

You might try posting to this site, it's for Canon user only.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/

Papa Joe Loc: Midwest U.S.

mfeveland wrote:

You might try posting to this site, it's for Canon user only.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/

OK, problem solved, finally! Bottom line:
With all the past FIVE digital cameras I've owned, I've always accessed the photos from the card via the camera cable connected to the computer, eliminating the need to remove the card and replace it each time.
THAT was the problem. By taking the card out of the camera, and inserting it into the computer, I do see both the CR2 and .jpg image. When I view the card's content by using the connected cable... the two images show-up as TWO CR2's. Go figure. Also, by doing a properties on each, they both read 14.5 mg. (That, I cannot explain).
Anyway, thank you all for your input and attempts to help. I'm a slow learner but when I finally do get something imbedded in this tired old brain... I usually retain it. Hope that's the case with this little problem.
I can now choose to use Canon software, or, with the help of the DNG converter I recently downloaded, I can also work with the raw image in Elements... best of both worlds.
Thanks All!

Howard5252 Loc: New York / Florida (now)

mfeveland wrote:

You might try posting to this site, it's for Canon user only.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/

Is there an option as to what each card will be used for? Are you sure you don't have the option incorrectly set?

Papa Joe Loc: Midwest U.S.

Howard5252 wrote:

Is there an option as to what each card will be used for? Are you sure you don't have the option incorrectly set?

Thanks for the comment, Howard. No, the card is set proper. (Only one card). The only thing I still don't understand is how when reading the stats (properties), while the card is IN the camera, I get 14.2 meg on each of the images, the CR2 and the JPG?? I guess that doesn't matter, since I know now that I am getting the dual results, one CR2 and one jpg. but it bugs me when I don't understand a situation like this :?:

photophool Loc: Grosse Pointe Park, MI

Papa Joe wrote:

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A possible alternative is to use Dropbox. It is free, and once you upload a file into the Public folder, created on your computer, you can email the recipient a link to that file so it can be downloaded. I've used it successfully to send family members any number of RAW photos. Each file has its own link, so I ZIP them to put all photos in one file.

Papa Joe Loc: Midwest U.S.

photophool wrote:

A possible alternative is to use Dropbox. It is free, and once you upload a file into the Public folder, created on your computer, you can email the recipient a link to that file so it can be downloaded. I've used it successfully to send family members any number of RAW photos. Each file has its own link, so I ZIP them to put all photos in one file.

Thanks for the suggestion photophool, but I (finally) figured-out what the problem was. See my message above. Appreciate your input though. Happy shooting!

c8group Loc: Florida, NY

riada22 wrote:

I don't know nuch about it but i'm surprised that both are the same size as I thought that RAW was always bigger. Here's a link that I found that you can read, there are various opinions to be found on google.

http://www.whatdigitalcamera.com/techniques/features/guides/490764/raw-vs-jpeg-the-pros-and-cons-of-raw-files-or-jpeg-files.html

This is a huge help to those who haven't quite understood the difference between the 2 formats. It's worth the read.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Papa Joe wrote:

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I just tried it with mine. I set the camera to raw+jpg and took a couple of shots. I got a CR2 of 14MB and a jpg of 2MB - same picture.

Check the camera settings again and try another shot.

Papa Joe Loc: Midwest U.S.

riada22 wrote:

I don't know nuch about it but i'm surprised that both are the same size as I thought that RAW was always bigger. Here's a link that I found that you can read, there are various opinions to be found on google.

http://www.whatdigitalcamera.com/techniques/features/guides/490764/raw-vs-jpeg-the-pros-and-cons-of-raw-files-or-jpeg-files.html

You're right riada22, there is a size difference between the two. That's what was confusing me because when I read the properties on both files, they showed-up as 14.2 mg... BOTH of them, but this only occurred when doing a properties while the camera was connected to the computer via cable from the camera to computer... actually reading directly from the camera. When I took the SD Card out of the camera and inserted it into the computer, each file appeared as it should have and with the appropriate size. Not sure why either, but that's what was confusing me. (Doesn't take much to do that, anyway!) :) Thanks for your input.

Papa Joe Loc: Midwest U.S.

jerryc41 wrote:

I just tried it with mine. I set the camera to raw+jpg and took a couple of shots. I got a CR2 of 14MB and a jpg of 2MB - same picture.

Check the camera settings again and try another shot.

Thanks Jerry, check my message up above... finally figured why I was getting the incorrect reading. Actually both files were on the card, the CR2 and the .jpg, but when reading properties, while connected via cable (camera to computer), Properties showed two CR2 files instead, and each one 14.2 mg. Go figure!