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May 26, 2013 07:54:47   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
I'm going to make a radical suggestion. When someone posts a question about what camera or lens to buy, we should not answer his question with more questions. Obviously, we need some information, but the person probably gave us enough to get started.

If someone is about to buy his first DSLR or wants to get a new lens, I doubt that he is buying it just to take pictures of fire ants on a cloudy afternoon from 200 feet away. Nor is he buying it exclusively to take pictures of albino eskimos and polar bears during blizzards.

When I started in photography, I did so because I wanted to take pictures - every kind possible. Let's assume that the people asking questions just want to take pictures of all kinds and try to give them the best advice we can. Hitting the poster with a dozen questions can be intimidating and make him feel stupid. One or two questions about budget or experience are fine, but the poster probably does not have answers for most of the question that are often asked. We don't want to make him feel like he doesn't know how to ask a question..

Just a suggestion.

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May 26, 2013 08:01:22   #
TedPaul Loc: Madison, MS
 
Sounds fair. I have seen replies that make the question sound lacking. The person asking does not have the sophistication of some.

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May 26, 2013 08:11:33   #
cockney greg Loc: London E17
 
Good point Jerry,all we really need to know is what they already have and how much they want to spend.

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May 26, 2013 08:11:46   #
sportyman140 Loc: Juliette, GA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I'm going to make a radical suggestion. When someone posts a question about what camera or lens to buy, we should not answer his question with more questions. Obviously, we need some information, but the person probably gave us enough to get started.

If someone is about to buy his first DSLR or wants to get a new lens, I doubt that he is buying it just to take pictures of fire ants on a cloudy afternoon from 200 feet away. Nor is he buying it exclusively to take pictures of albino eskimos and polar bears during blizzards.

When I started in photography, I did so because I wanted to take pictures - every kind possible. Let's assume that the people asking questions just want to take pictures of all kinds and try to give them the best advice we can. Hitting the poster with a dozen questions can be intimidating and make him feel stupid. One or two questions about budget or experience are fine, but the poster probably does not have answers for most of the question that are often asked. We don't want to make him feel like he doesn't know how to ask a question..

Just a suggestion.
I'm going to make a radical suggestion. When some... (show quote)


Good Morning Jerry,
Well Said, When I first started out on here I know the feeling, !!!
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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May 26, 2013 08:19:01   #
hartmanr1
 
GOOD ADVICE !

As a teacher I know that a student asking an Expert often gets a reply that is almost one of contempt :

Don't you know that ?

Can't you do that ? It's easy !

A trap to avoid if we want to encourage photography not make it appear an arcane science

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May 26, 2013 08:22:18   #
GPS Phil Loc: Dayton Ohio
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I'm going to make a radical suggestion. When someone posts a question about what camera or lens to buy, we should not answer his question with more questions. Obviously, we need some information, but the person probably gave us enough to get started.

If someone is about to buy his first DSLR or wants to get a new lens, I doubt that he is buying it just to take pictures of fire ants on a cloudy afternoon from 200 feet away. Nor is he buying it exclusively to take pictures of albino eskimos and polar bears during blizzards.

When I started in photography, I did so because I wanted to take pictures - every kind possible. Let's assume that the people asking questions just want to take pictures of all kinds and try to give them the best advice we can. Hitting the poster with a dozen questions can be intimidating and make him feel stupid. One or two questions about budget or experience are fine, but the poster probably does not have answers for most of the question that are often asked. We don't want to make him feel like he doesn't know how to ask a question..

Just a suggestion.
I'm going to make a radical suggestion. When some... (show quote)


While it might be just a suggestion, it is a good one. Most of us come here for two reasons, either to help or be helped. Some kindness and consideration go a long way.

Phil

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May 26, 2013 08:39:14   #
Patriot66 Loc: Minnesota
 
Well said.

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May 26, 2013 08:40:05   #
BillyDuds Loc: North Carolina
 
Yup, excellent advice. Let's hope everyone takes it to heart!

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May 26, 2013 08:40:34   #
Mason Jar Loc: Mason, OH
 
Being a newbie here, I've watched for a while before asking questions and I must say it is intimidating to be new and ask an expert a question, then get asked a bunch of questions that make us feel like we aren't smart enough to even ask a simple question. It might help to have only one person asking question and not have 6 - 10 people jump in with comments or more questions. Even this observation has attracted a bunch of comments. I have a question regarding flash, but I fear all the extraneous stuff that makes that question get lost in the shuffle. Just my humble opinion, no offense intended.

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May 26, 2013 08:49:16   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
A good point, jerry. In the begining, you don't know what you don't know.

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May 26, 2013 08:51:39   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:
A good point, jerry. In the beginning, you don't know what you don't know.

I knew. :D

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May 26, 2013 08:54:06   #
lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode
 
Well, I'll be the odd one out that you can all flame.
Sorry Jerry, not with you on this one at all.

I cannot answer that question properly and neither can anyone else - and I do not know why they try.
No one can know what camera or lens to recommend unless they know if the person will be printing 30"x20" or just loading to facebook or twitter or whatever.
Or whether the person is interested in sports or scenery or portraiture or just baby and puppy pics. etc etc etc
Usually we are not even told if the camera is for a new user or if it will be an upgrade for an existing user.

The original poster might not know the relevant information to give but it could just be that the person that asks those questions back, does know the relevant info to ask.
And they ask those questions back so that they can attempt to save the OP from buying stuff that they don't need, or the wrong type.
They are not being condescending, or a smart arse. They are trying to save the OP a bit of heartache and money and provide a shorter path to where that person wants to get to.

The ones that are being unhelpful are the chorus that have to have an immediate opinion on every question asked on limited knowledge whether it is the right advice or not.
So the OP ends up with a multitude of options and no way of sorting the wheat from the chaff.


jerryc41 wrote:
I'm going to make a radical suggestion. When someone posts a question about what camera or lens to buy, we should not answer his question with more questions. Obviously, we need some information, but the person probably gave us enough to get started.

If someone is about to buy his first DSLR or wants to get a new lens, I doubt that he is buying it just to take pictures of fire ants on a cloudy afternoon from 200 feet away. Nor is he buying it exclusively to take pictures of albino eskimos and polar bears during blizzards.

When I started in photography, I did so because I wanted to take pictures - every kind possible. Let's assume that the people asking questions just want to take pictures of all kinds and try to give them the best advice we can. Hitting the poster with a dozen questions can be intimidating and make him feel stupid. One or two questions about budget or experience are fine, but the poster probably does not have answers for most of the question that are often asked. We don't want to make him feel like he doesn't know how to ask a question..

Just a suggestion.
I'm going to make a radical suggestion. When some... (show quote)

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May 26, 2013 09:10:40   #
herb99m Loc: Georgia, USA
 
lighthouse wrote:
Well, I'll be the odd one out that you can all flame.
Sorry Jerry, not with you on this one at all.

I cannot answer that question properly and neither can anyone else - and I do not know why they try.
No one can know what camera or lens to recommend unless they know if the person will be printing 30"x20" or just loading to facebook or twitter or whatever.
Or whether the person is interested in sports or scenery or portraiture or just baby and puppy pics. etc etc etc
Usually we are not even told if the camera is for a new user or if it will be an upgrade for an existing .
Well, I'll be the odd one out that you can all fla... (show quote)


But this is what the answer is, though they might be too discouraged to post again:
"I will be be posting to Facebook and emailing pics to friends. And if I get a really nice shot I want to do big prints for a gift to my parents.
I want to take great shots of my kids at soccer, dance and cheerleading. Also I want to take general photos of friends and family at events, in addition to getting some great portrait shots."

The point being that someone looking to get on the DSLR train usually does not have a specific area they want to focus on. I get asked the question every time I am out shooting or post some photos. Rarely do they have a specific target in mind.

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May 26, 2013 09:20:09   #
lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode
 
OK, so now I can make a recommendation, because I have info.
But I am not going to assume that this is what every poster who asks the question wants to do.

herb99m wrote:
But this is what the answer is, though they might be too discouraged to post again:
"I will be be posting to Facebook and emailing pics to friends. And if I get a really nice shot I want to do big prints for a gift to my parents.
I want to take great shots of my kids at soccer, dance and cheerleading. Also I want to take general photos of friends and family at events, in addition to getting some great portrait shots."

The point being that someone looking to get on the DSLR train usually does not have a specific area they want to focus on. I get asked the question every time I am out shooting or post some photos. Rarely do they have a specific target in mind.
But this is what the answer is, though they might ... (show quote)

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May 26, 2013 09:47:12   #
craggycrossers Loc: Robin Hood Country, UK
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I'm going to make a radical suggestion. When someone posts a question about what camera or lens to buy, we should not answer his question with more questions. Obviously, we need some information, but the person probably gave us enough to get started.

If someone is about to buy his first DSLR or wants to get a new lens, I doubt that he is buying it just to take pictures of fire ants on a cloudy afternoon from 200 feet away. Nor is he buying it exclusively to take pictures of albino eskimos and polar bears during blizzards.

When I started in photography, I did so because I wanted to take pictures - every kind possible. Let's assume that the people asking questions just want to take pictures of all kinds and try to give them the best advice we can. Hitting the poster with a dozen questions can be intimidating and make him feel stupid. One or two questions about budget or experience are fine, but the poster probably does not have answers for most of the question that are often asked. We don't want to make him feel like he doesn't know how to ask a question..

Just a suggestion.
I'm going to make a radical suggestion. When some... (show quote)


Jerry - a good idea, coming from a long-time and wise UHH contributor.

Lighthouse - also a good and valid response, coming from a long-time and wise UHH contributor.

The kinds of questions that request "what **** should I buy?" come thick and fast, and I must admit I "pick and choose" where I want to dive in. But I tend to agree more with Lighthouse, because so often it's just not possible to give reasoned and sound advice based solely on the wording of the question.

What's the answer?

Maybe some sort of "triggered screen" in the website software which, when it sees "which camera/lens/flash/tripod?" etc, throws up a "help" screen advising the MINIMUM info required about the particular topic and the basic reasons why.

I'm trying to watch the Monaco Grand Prix, but there's been a "little accident", which gives me a minute or ten to ponder over this thread.

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