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Apr 5, 2013 16:57:39   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
We’ll Never Forgive Traitorous 'Hanoi Jane'






Jane Fonda’s latest apology for her infamous trip to North Vietnam — which earned her the notorious name “Hanoi Jane” — is still too little, too late for many Americans who say they can never forgive the Academy Award-winning actress.

Newsmax readers flooded us with comments about Fonda’s recent appearance on the Oprah Winfrey Network in which she lamented: “I made one unforgivable mistake when I was in North Vietnam, and I will go to my grave with this.”

Related: Jane Fonda Says Vietnam Debacle ‘Unforgivable Mistake’

“What a disgrace to our nation,” one doctor from Key Largo, Fla., told us. “She should be totally forgotten and never show her face in public again.”

Rex, from Orange, Texas, said: “I don't believe a word she says. She will always be Hanoi Jane as far as I am concerned.”

The 75-year-old star, who won an Oscar for her portrayal of a shaggy-haired hooker in “Klute,” was photographed smiling and singing with North Vietnamese soldiers as she sat on an anti-aircraft gun in 1972.

She told the program “Oprah’s Master Class” the event happened on the last day of her visit to the war-torn country when she tired. She also insisted the gun she was shown holding was not operable.

Not everybody believes that.

“Her story gets bigger and bigger,” Eugene from Greenacres, Fla., said. “Now the gun didn’t work. How would she know …”

Phyllis from Bridgewater, N.J., told us: “Jane Fonda is and always has been a spoiled, self-centered seeker of fame and adulation. She has never cared about anyone but herself — and [she] betrayed the men and women who fought and died for her comfort.”

Many Newsmax readers said Fonda, the daughter of Hollywood legend Henry Fonda and ex-wife of CNN founder Ted Turner, should still face charges for her alliance with North Vietnam.

“No more ‘song & dance’ with Hanoi Jane,” said Robert, from Beverly Hills, Fla. “She should be tried, convicted, and dealt with accordingly. The Germans learned that war crimes never expire.”

T.J. from Clovis, Calif., said “Ms. Fonda can say anything she likes NOW. If she thinks the passage of time will render her less odious to those of us who remember how she gave aid and comfort to the enemy, I say think again, Benedict Arnold Fonda!”

Several readers slammed Fonda for a widely-circulated rumor that she passed to the Viet Cong the Social Security numbers and other information about American prisoners of war, allegedly resulting in them being beaten and tortured.

Fonda has strenuously denied this story and war veterans groups, who decry her visit to North Vietnam itself, have also discredited it.

Some believe Fonda is trying to atone for her behavior as she grows older and reflects on life. But it’s doubtful she’ll ever heal, what are too many, still open wounds.

“She was a traitor then and it will not change,” said Kathy from Cleburne, Texas. “She should have thought of that before we lost so many friends, husbands and fathers.”

A San Francisco commentator said: “There is nothing that this traitor can do or say to change her anti-war, anti-American views. Her history on the Vietnam conflict is well documented and the facts do not change some 40 years later. She should have been sent to prison to rot.”

But not all of those who weighed in were unsympathetic to Fonda.

“Jane Fonda was the Dennis Rodman of her time. But how many times does she have to apologize for her sins?” Dan from Garden City, N.Y., said. “It happened when I was 2 years old, and maybe we can let her off the hook because she was anti-blood lust, and that is how we should live.”

Marty, from Fort Myers, Fla, said: “God bless you, Jane!! I knew you were not Hanoi Jane as you were portrayed, but the real American I know. You have done much for the U.S. and always will.”

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Apr 5, 2013 17:13:07   #
VietVet Loc: Brooklyn, NY
 
I totally agree with all those posts,she should never be forgiven for what she done. Men suffered and died due to her.
, I for one will never forget.

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Apr 5, 2013 17:26:30   #
Kentee Loc: Southern California
 
Offhand, I can only think of one person who did more to undermine our men dying in that horrible place and that man is......

Our new Secretary of State!

(Waiting for the cheers to suside)

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Apr 5, 2013 17:55:49   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
Kentee wrote:
Offhand, I can only think of one person who did more to undermine our men dying in that horrible place and that man is......

Our new Secretary of State!

(Waiting for the cheers to suside)


He's a lot more dangerous than Hanoi Jane and her photo ops. :thumbup:

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Apr 5, 2013 20:26:29   #
Morrisdh Loc: Pisgah Alabama
 
pounder35 Every since I got back from Vietnam I told every
family member to include my grand children if I EVER come
into MY home and see that BITCH on one of my TV's, it goes
out and I will disown the culprit. Till this day they know I mean
it. I am a forgiving person but somethings I can't, and the only thing I ever want to hear from her is her obituary. mdh

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Apr 5, 2013 23:58:07   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
Morrisdh wrote:
pounder35 Every since I got back from Vietnam I told every
family member to include my grand children if I EVER come
into MY home and see that BITCH on one of my TV's, it goes
out and I will disown the culprit. Till this day they know I mean
it. I am a forgiving person but somethings I can't, and the only thing I ever want to hear from her is her obituary. mdh


Maybe a round into the 60" LED will make your point. :lol: :thumbup: I hate to admit it but her performance, co-starring with Robert Redford in "The Electric Horseman" was pretty damn good. She's still is a traitor to our nation. She'll go to her grave knowing that. :thumbup:

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Apr 6, 2013 05:16:13   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
I guess I'm in the minority...

While I don't condone what she did, I do understand mistakes...we've all made horrible mistakes in our life, If I had a dollar for every time I've wished I could go back and change my behavior I'd be rich...but we can't change the past...we can only live with the regret and move on.

I guess I don't understand hearts that are so full of darkness that they'd hate for so long...

PS: Here is her actual statement about the events:

Quote:
It happened on my last day in Hanoi. I was exhausted and an emotional wreck after the 2-week visit ... The translator told me that the soldiers wanted to sing me a song. He translated as they sung. It was a song about the day 'Uncle Ho' declared their country's independence in Hanoi's Ba Dinh Square. I heard these words: "All men are created equal; they are given certain rights; among these are life, Liberty and Happiness." These are the words Ho pronounced at the historic ceremony. I began to cry and clap. These young men should not be our enemy. They celebrate the same words Americans do. The soldiers asked me to sing for them in return ... I memorized a song called Day Ma Di, written by anti-war South Vietnamese students. I knew I was slaughtering it, but everyone seemed delighted that I was making the attempt. I finished. Everyone was laughing and clapping, including me ... Here is my best, honest recollection of what happened: someone (I don't remember who) led me towards the gun, and I sat down, still laughing, still applauding. It all had nothing to do with where I was sitting. I hardly even thought about where I was sitting. The cameras flashed ... It is possible that it was a set up, that the Vietnamese had it all planned. I will never know. But if they did I can't blame them. The buck stops here. If I was used, I allowed it to happen ... a two-minute lapse of sanity that will haunt me forever ... But the photo exists, delivering its message regardless of what I was doing or feeling. I carry this heavy in my heart. I have apologized numerous times for any pain I may have caused servicemen and their families because of this photograph. It was never my intention to cause harm
It happened on my last day in Hanoi. I was exhaust... (show quote)

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Apr 6, 2013 05:43:16   #
johnr9999 Loc: Carlton, OR
 
Kentee wrote:
Offhand, I can only think of one person who did more to undermine our men dying in that horrible place and that man is......

Our new Secretary of State!

(Waiting for the cheers to suside)

While I agree that it was a secretary of state, his name was McNamara not Kerry. Kerry was, in my opinion, a coward and a liar, McNamara, with the same caveats, was a traitor.

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Apr 6, 2013 05:45:45   #
johnr9999 Loc: Carlton, OR
 
I have a bumper sticker which reads, "I will forgive Hanoi Jane when the Jews forgive Hitler". I think this is a bit excessive but expresses our feelings well.

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Apr 6, 2013 07:42:28   #
BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD
 
A "Traitor" gives "aid and comfort to the enemy". What she did was a traitorist act, Period, end-of-story!
Damn shame that the political will of the country at the time would not allow her proscecution.

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Apr 6, 2013 11:29:19   #
Kentee Loc: Southern California
 
johnr9999 wrote:
While I agree that it was a secretary of state, his name was McNamara not Kerry. Kerry was, in my opinion, a coward and a liar, McNamara, with the same caveats, was a traitor.


I cannot remember any time that McNamara gave aid and comfort to the enemy. He a budget zealot and a numbers cruncher, but, he did what he truly thought was right. Nobody is right all the time, unfortunately. In 1968 he addressed the Senate thusly:

"While the military task in Vietnam is beginning to assume some aspects of a conventional limited war against overt external aggression, our over-all Vietnam task remains that of making it possible for the South Vietnamese to cope with and suppress an insurgency which is externally directed and supported; to rectify the social ills on which that insurgency battens; to reestablish law and order; to revive and sustain the economy; and to create a viable, independent political structure."

Even in 1968, it was beginning to be evident that the war could be fought but it was not likely to be won, in the conventional sense of winning.

To Hell with winning, Bomb the Bastards! How tragic for our guys doing the fighting and dying.

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Apr 6, 2013 12:40:03   #
erobin Loc: Port Charlotte, FL
 
"He who is without sin.....". If I cannot forgive, how can I be forgiven?

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Apr 6, 2013 13:08:46   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
erobin wrote:
"He who is without sin.....". If I cannot forgive, how can I be forgiven?


THAT'S the basis for what I was saying...if a person recognizes what THEY'VE been forgiven of...then it makes no sense to harbor unforgiveness.

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Apr 6, 2013 13:14:11   #
Nikon_DonB Loc: Chicago
 
Being a Traitor is beyond forgiveness. Especially when it cost G.I.s' their lives.

May Jane "BURN" for Eternity.

Ask Senator John McCain what he thinks(privately, and see what he says.)

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Apr 6, 2013 13:19:34   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
Nikon_DonB wrote:
Being a Traitor is beyond forgiveness. Especially when it cost G.I.s' their lives.

May Jane "BURN" for Eternity.

Ask Senator John McCain what he thinks(privately, and see what he says.)


Don,
Just a question; you used the phrase "burn for eternity" which is a Christian concept; i.e. "hell" a place of punishment for sins against God.

What perplexes me about what you just said is what the post that came right before mine and yours mentions (the idea that if one realizes the magnitude of our own sins against God...and the fact that He's forgiven us...and how grateful that should make us), then our obvious response should be to forgive others.

Are you a Christ follower or were you just using the "burn in Hell" phrase metaphorically?

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