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Nov 10, 2011 19:57:28   #
English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL
 
Now I am laughing, do you really think it will not be visible the the picture is from the tube, interlaced and all that?

Museums that allow pictures inside allow them for personal use only. Try to claim to be the author and ba caught, let see what happens!!!

(I'll be the first in the court room applauding when you get the first legal fine (250k) then more for moral damages, lost of revenues and punitive amount.)

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Nov 10, 2011 19:57:35   #
forbescat
 
I'm sorry that happened to you. We will be seeing more and more of this as a certain country (the one that has no respect for intellectual and artistic property) will continue to lift images from the internet. So don't be surprise when you walk into Walmart and see your work.

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Nov 10, 2011 20:00:02   #
English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL
 
rivernan wrote:
I took this picture many years ago in Italy. I had it on my work computer as a screen saver. A friend liked it and asked for a copy. I gave her a print. Not too long after that she asked me if I wanted to buy a painting of the very same picture...turns out she told her mom she would love it painted and her mom who was taking a painting class had one of the people in the group paint it for her. The painter wanted $400, a price my friend could hardly afford. So she thought of me. I almost threw a fit when she asked me if I wanted to pay 400 for a painting of one of my pictures. ok, I did have a very small tantrum. I dont know what the rules/ethics/laws are on this type of thing but it sure felt rotten which makes me suspect it was wrong.

In the end I told her to offer the lady $200 and get the dang painting...What I learned later was she paid 200 and her mom kicked in another 100 and she has the painting hanging in her living room. I got 0, not even a glass of wine in thanks. zilcho...gotta be wrong.
I took this picture many years ago in Italy. I ha... (show quote)


You have a case for copyright infringement. Since you are not exactly a pro living of your photography, the most you will get is all the dough exchanged plus court cost AND the painting!!! (get a good copyright lawyer and you get also $$$ from the classroom teacher or the school itself)

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Nov 10, 2011 20:37:45   #
ALYN Loc: Lebanon, Indiana
 
O.K. You all had good ideas; thanks to each of you. I agree that if one feels it is wrong, then you have already lost the case. THAT was sort of where I came out; just wanted a confirmation from the "experts." ALYN

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Nov 10, 2011 20:46:00   #
RiverNan Loc: Eastern Pa
 
English_Wolf wrote:
rivernan wrote:
I took this picture many years ago in Italy. I had it on my work computer as a screen saver. A friend liked it and asked for a copy. I gave her a print. Not too long after that she asked me if I wanted to buy a painting of the very same picture...turns out she told her mom she would love it painted and her mom who was taking a painting class had one of the people in the group paint it for her. The painter wanted $400, a price my friend could hardly afford. So she thought of me. I almost threw a fit when she asked me if I wanted to pay 400 for a painting of one of my pictures. ok, I did have a very small tantrum. I dont know what the rules/ethics/laws are on this type of thing but it sure felt rotten which makes me suspect it was wrong.

In the end I told her to offer the lady $200 and get the dang painting...What I learned later was she paid 200 and her mom kicked in another 100 and she has the painting hanging in her living room. I got 0, not even a glass of wine in thanks. zilcho...gotta be wrong.
I took this picture many years ago in Italy. I ha... (show quote)


You have a case for copyright infringement. Since you are not exactly a pro living of your photography, the most you will get is all the dough exchanged plus court cost AND the painting!!! (get a good copyright lawyer and you get also $$$ from the classroom teacher or the school itself)
quote=rivernan I took this picture many years ago... (show quote)


Hmmmm Probably should have made her pay full price and give me the painting but it was a friend who I am sure had no ill will or ill intent. At this point I am not looking for compensation, but I can say it is good to know and I did learn a lesson. Thanks for your input and I sure hope people see this and act with honor.

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Nov 10, 2011 20:56:47   #
RiverNan Loc: Eastern Pa
 
robduncanphotography wrote:
Last time I checked, museums wont let you photograph works of art. The same goes at art shows, and that sort of thing. I see people taking pictures of other peoples work all the time. To me it's stealing. Either pony up and buy the work, or sit back and soak it in like everyone else.


not necessarily true, I go to lots of museums some do...some dont.





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Nov 10, 2011 21:04:45   #
English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL
 
Each museum has it own policies many refuse folks taking picture with a flash and will let you almost set up a tripod as long as you do not add ANY light.

Other is a NO! policy strong enough to have you escorted out off the building by security...

I do not see the 'stealing when you take a picture for private use (otherwise why would their be postcard of artwork offered all over the place, legally?

No, stealing is a wrong word here that involves a crime. If you are good enough, have enough money and know t whom you ask, I am sure you can get some specialist to either make a replica hard to detect or simply steal the stuff... But enter another dimension here.

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Nov 10, 2011 21:28:07   #
forbescat
 
English_Wolf wrote:
Each museum has it own policies many refuse folks taking picture with a flash and will let you almost set up a tripod as long as you do not add ANY light.

Other is a NO! policy strong enough to have you escorted out off the building by security...

I do not see the 'stealing when you take a picture for private use (otherwise why would their be postcard of artwork offered all over the place, legally?

No, stealing is a wrong word here that involves a crime. If you are good enough, have enough money and know t whom you ask, I am sure you can get some specialist to either make a replica hard to detect or simply steal the stuff... But enter another dimension here.
Each museum has it own policies many refuse folks ... (show quote)


Some museums don't allow photography because they want to sell the postcards which are licensed to be sold. I'm always grateful when I am allowed to take pictures and kinda' wonder why they do. With money so tight, museums, private and public, have to find ways to keep the doors open.

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Nov 10, 2011 22:52:08   #
English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL
 
Come to think of it, I like the ethic question when we live in a country where folks can steal billions of dollars and stay out of jail while other steal a blanket at Kmart to stay warm during the winter and has been held in jail because he could post a $50.00 bond. He has since lost his home (the car).

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Nov 10, 2011 23:03:30   #
forbescat
 
English_Wolf wrote:
Come to think of it, I like the ethic question when we live in a country where folks can steal billions of dollars and stay out of jail while other steal a blanket at Kmart to stay warm during the winter and has been held in jail because he could post a %50.00 bond. He has since lost his home (the car).


I try to follow you but sometimes...what do the above situations have to do with the unethical use of images? I go off on tangents but I think you are worse than I am!

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Nov 10, 2011 23:15:15   #
English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL
 
Of course I am (going on tangent(s) it is fun, at times.

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Nov 11, 2011 05:43:07   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
robduncanphotography wrote:
Last time I checked, museums wont let you photograph works of art. The same goes at art shows, and that sort of thing. I see people taking pictures of other peoples work all the time. To me it's stealing. Either pony up and buy the work, or sit back and soak it in like everyone else.

I've never been to a museum that DOESN'T allow you to take pictures of works of art. However, they disallow flash pictures.

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Nov 11, 2011 06:09:31   #
MyronT Loc: I live on my old wood sailboat
 
you should have asked why your friend wanted the picture before you gave it away.

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Nov 11, 2011 06:17:35   #
tnray Loc: LaFollette, TN
 
I agree with the other posts here. It is wrong and unethical to use another persons photograph without permission. Don't do it!

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Nov 11, 2011 06:29:19   #
photoman315
 
You have to ask yourself: Is this my work, or did I just copy something? If you didn't take the original photo, you stole it. How would you feel if it were reversed? One of the reasons I retired was that I didn't want to get ripped off any more. Tired of people copying my work.

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