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Oct 12, 2018 14:20:02   #
joer wrote:
The best value in a quality macro lens is the Tokina 100mm f2.8...its as good as the more costly lenses and 100mm is a versatile focal length.


I just got the Tokina 100mm f2.8 for my birthday. So far, I love it. Haven't taken it outside yet so we will see.
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Oct 4, 2018 01:25:42   #
latebloomer wrote:
Most Macro Lenses are very good. You might want to consider if you want stabilization in your macro. I almost always use a tripod; therefore, stabilization is not a criteria. If you see yourself doing a lot of handheld shots, you might want stabilization. This could also include using your macro as a portrait lens.
Good luck


I have a monkeypod as well as a full size tripod.
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Oct 4, 2018 01:22:51   #
goforthegold wrote:
Visiting Banff, Lake Louise, and Jasper


Absolutely amazing. I've visited the Canadian Rockies and they are breathtaking. You captured their granduer do perfectly.
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Oct 1, 2018 12:46:14   #
eokanu wrote:
Have you tried using a reversing ring or extension tubes with your current lens and camera? These are less expensive than a dedicated macro lens would cost you. You can find a few brands on Amazon. When you are pleased with your skill set then you can spend more money on a dedicated macro or micro lens which is more expensive than either a reversing ring or an extension tube. A few good ones are Tamron 90mm F2.8 macro, Canon 60mm x5 (this lens requires patience and skill and is the best macro lens out there), Canon 180mm F/3.5, Canon 100mm, Nikon 105mm.
Good luck!
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I have not, yet! Thanks for the suggestions
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Oct 1, 2018 12:38:56   #
I have a small tripod I carry with me if I need it. Usually my subjects are to high for it or on the move. I do use a tripod when I shoot still life at home.
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Oct 1, 2018 12:37:04   #
Thanks for the input
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Sep 30, 2018 14:50:31   #
Bob Yankle wrote:
Thank you Daisy. Actually, this is a bit of artful manipulation. This dog was on leash, being held with head-high by its owner. I just removed the leash and the owner, and a goodly portion of the background.


Great editing. I love it.
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Sep 30, 2018 14:48:08   #
Just wanted to make a note that there has been a change in camera. I originally wanted the Canon 77D. My fiance thought he would be nice and get me the 80D because it's weather sealed. But he recently found the same kit for the 77D for the same price as the 80D so he ordered it. Once it gets here, I will share my thoughts. They are supposed to be relatively the same, just the 77D has a few more features, it's not weather sealed and is smaller. Wish me luck.
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Sep 30, 2018 14:37:13   #
DJphoto wrote:
Welcome to the forum! I upgraded from a Canon SX-40 HS to an 80D almost two years ago and I love it. The book "Canon 80D for Dummies" is an excellent way to get the most out of your camera and I highly recommend it. I also love Hawaii; my 80D has been there with me in Poipu Beach Kauai in summer of 2017, to Ko Olina Oahu in March of this year and will be back to both places next summer.

Aloha.


I did get the book you suggested, thank you. I've taken some great photos of in Ko Olina. I've only explored Oahu so far.




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Sep 30, 2018 14:34:52   #
amfoto1 wrote:
Hi,

Like several other responses, I recommend a macro lens in the 90mm, 100mm, 105mm range of focal lengths. This is a good compromise of size, hand "holdability" and working distance from your subjects.

Frankly, a lot of flower & plant photography is done at far less magnification than the 1:1 that most macro lenses are capable of doing. As a result, a more compact lens like a 60mm might be workable, too... it will put you closer to the subject, but if not at full magnification you'd still have ample working distance.

The "cheap" way to "do macro" would be to get some macro extension tubes and use those with your 18-135mm. Those tubes go between the lens and camera, forcing the lens to be able to focus closer. I recommend the Kenko tube set (12mm, 20mm & 36mm)... good quality at a reasonable price. Macro tubes have no optics in them, so they generally don't degrade image quality. The more extension you use, the close the lens will be able to focus.... Corollary to that, the longer your lens' focal length, the more extension you'll need to significantly change it's close focusing ability and increase magnification.

I've got Canon and Kenko macro extension tubes.... always have several with me in case I need them. They are relatively small, lightweight and easy to use with only a little practice. They can even be used with macro lenses, to push them beyond their native level of magnification (usually 1:1 or "life size"... which means on an 80D you can photograph an area the size of the sensor, which is approx. 15x22mm).

Your camera usually is sold in kit with the EF-S 18-135mm IS USM or EF-S 18-135mm IS STM lens... which are pretty darned close focusing for a non-macro lens (those lenses are identical optically... the only difference is their focus drive motor.... the newer and more expensive USM version is faster focusing and better tracking movement). They can do 0.28X magnification... or nearly 1:3 (1/3 life size), on their own.

A "true" macro lens will generally give higher magnification and most of them have extremely high image quality. Macro lenses typically are "flat field designs"... meaning that up close they are sharp from corner to corner and evenly illuminated across the entire image area (a non-macro, non-flat field lens such as your 18-135mm can "go soft" in the corners and have some vignetting when made to focus very close, especially when used with extension tubes to push it beyond it's native close focusing ability).

If you have your heart set on a "true" macro lens, there are a number to choose among.... all capable of making high quality images. It's more those lenses' other features that set them apart from each other. And you generally "get what you pay for". In the focal length range recommended, you can choose among:

- Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L IS USM.... $900... very high build quality and very full featured. One of only two that can optionally be fitted with a tripod mounting ring (which is quite useful for a lot of macro work, Canon Tripod Ring D... $172).

- Tamron SP 90mm f/2.8 VC USD... $650... the latest in a long, series of well respected macro lenses from this manufacturer, quite full featured.

- Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM... $600 + $35 lens hood... An older design without image stabilization, but otherwise largely equal to the capability & qualities of the newer design. This is the only other lens in this range that can optionally be fitted with a tripod mounting ring (Canon Tripod Ring B... $150).

- Sigma 105mm f/2.8 OS HSM... $550... top of the line from Sigma, great reputation and quality.

- Rokinon 100mm f/2.8, Samyang 100mm f/2.8... $500, $450... Same lens selling under different names. Both are manual focus only (some macro work is more easily done manual focus). Also manual aperture control.

- Tamron SP 90mm f/2.8... $500... An earlier design of the Tammy, without VC (stabilization) or USD (ultrasonic focus drive) and not IF (internal focusing).

- Tokina AT-X 100mm f/2.8... $350... A very capable, but simpler lens. Not IF, slower micro motor AF, no stabilization, "focus clutch" req'd to shift between AF and MF.

Some more compact, shorter focal length lenses which risk putting you too close to subjects at full 1:1 (but that high magnification may not be necessary for most flower/flora photography):

- Tamron SP 60mm f/2 Di II... $525... One of few macro lenses with large than f/2.8 aperture, which may make it more useful for some other purposes (portraiture, lower light). IF design. Slower micro motor focus drive. Crop sensor only design.

- Canon EF-S 60mm f/2.8 USM... $400 + $27 for lens hood... One of the most compact. Faster ultrasonic focus drive. Crop sensor only design.

Some other possibilities....

- Sigma 70mm f/2.8 "Art"... $569... A recently introduced updated version of a lens they've offered for some time.

- Venus Laowa 60mm f/2.8 2:1... $400... An exceptionally high magnification, manual focus only, manual aperture lens.

Not recommended for first time macro users or only macro lens...

- Canon MP-E 65mm f/2.8... This is an ultra high magnification (up to 5X life size.... and no less than 1:1), manual focus only lens. Due to the ultra high mag, this is pretty much a tripod-only lens and

- Macro lenses 50mm and shorter focal lengths... too close to subject.

- Macro lenses 150mm and longer... More specialized and difficult to hold steady, smaller aperture needed to offset shallower depth of field.

Regarding some of the features mentioned and you should look for on lenses:

All macro lenses with autofocus tend to be slower focusing than non-macro lenses. In part, that's because they have to move their focusing elements a long, long way to go from infinity to 1:1 magnification. But it's also by design... Slower "long throw" focus designs are used to emphasize accuracy, over speed. This is because depth of field becomes quite shallow at high magnifications.

Some macro lenses have features to help a bit with AF speed. Lenses that use ultrasonic focus drive (Canon USM, Sigma HSM, Tamron USD) are faster focusing and possibly quieter focusing than lenses using micro motor focus drive. A "focus limiter" is another feature on many macro lenses, which can help with focus speed. Just as it sounds, this is used to limit the lens to working within a certain range of it distances, there-by helping it work faster. You will find simpler two-stage focus limiters on some lenses, more advanced three-stage on others.

Ultrasonic focus drive lenses also allow "full time manual override".... meaning that you can fine tune focus manually any time you wish. It's not necessary to turn off the AF system first. This is not the case with micro motor focus drive lenses. They must be manually turned off first. Tokina lenses use an unusual way of doing this, which they call their "focus clutch" mechanism. The lens' focus ring slides slightly forward and backward to switch back and forth between AF and MF. When it's set to AF, turning the focus ring won't do anything. To manually focus the lens must be switched to MF setting (this serves to protect the AF system from possible damage).

"Internal focusing" (or "IF") is another feature you will find on some macro lenses... usually the more expensive ones. This means the lens doesn't grow longer when focused closer. Non-IF macro lenses can nearly double in length when focused to their highest magnification, but may be more compact when set to infinity focus. IF lenses start out larger, but don't change in length even at their highest mag. You never notice it when using them, but IF lenses actually change focal length slightly.... for example, at full 1:1 Canon's two 100mm lenses' "true" focal length is closer to 70mm, when measured in a lab.

Most Canon macro lenses are able to directly use Canon macro flash. The EF 100mm f/2.8 USM, EF-S 60mm f/2.8 and MP-E 65mm all have a built-in feature to directly mount the MR-14EX Ring Lite & MT-24EX Twin Lite flashes. There are adapters sold separately to allow the flash to mount to the EF 100mm f/2.8L IS USM and the EF 180mm f/3.5L USM, and it may be possible to similarly adapt a third party lens. There are also alternative mounting methods both for third party and the Canon macro flash.

Both the Canon 100mm macro lenses are unique in that they can optionally be fitted with a very useful tripod mounting ring, at some additional cost. I've cited the cost of the Canon brand ring, which is top quality in both cases... there are cheaper third party tripod rings available (quality unknown, but I'd avoid really cheap plastic ones). In or close to this focal length, no macro lenses from other manufacturers include or can optionally be fitted with tripod rings. Only the two Canon 100s offer this feature.

Two of the above mentioned Canon macro lenses do not come with their matched lens hoods included. I've cited the price to separately purchase the good quality Canon brand hoods, but there are also less expensive third party clones available.
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Thank you so very much. You've given me a lot to chew on. I've been looking at 105mm and 100mm lenses.
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Sep 27, 2018 08:39:02   #
DannyKaye wrote:
Get something about 90-105mm secondhand and have a play, there is no point spending a lot of money until your present kit limits you in some way. As a start I would be looking at a Tamron 90mm macro in any guise, the later ones are AF and vibration control or IS for Canon users. There are also the sigma and Tokina offerings at about 100mm, the Sigma 105mm has a good name.

Personally, I like the Tamron, but I have been using it for a long time. In addition the Raynox range of close-up add-on lenses, which are a good way to go when you want more magnification, fit well on this lens (or any at about 100mm).

Something like this maybe https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Canon-fit-Tamron-VC-Di-SP-AF-90mm-f2-8-Macro-USD-Image-Stabalised-EOS-IS-EF/163231098212?epid=233854537&hash=item260154e564:g:ABMAAOSwTWZbiTqb

Danny

Be warned macro can be addictive!
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Thanks Danny. I'm keeping my eye open for a good deal. In the mean time, I'm going to keep trying with Andy I've got. Been reading up on how to get a good macro shot without getting new lens.
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Sep 26, 2018 14:40:48   #
cactuspic wrote:
I shoot primarily plants, macros and closeups. You can check my website: IrwinLightstone.com to check my work. I shoot a full frame camera with the following macros, 15mm, 50mm, 60mm, 70mm, 100mm, 150mm 180mm. All of these macros get to 1:1 magnification (which means the image on the sensor is the same size as the subject). I also shoot several lenses for magnifications greater than life size, as well as a number of older, classic manual focus macros. Here are my observations.

1. For an occasional closeup, zoom lenses (with or without extension tubes or supplemental closeup lens) work well. If you use a close up lens, get the good closeup lens rather than the cheap sets that have significant lens aberrations. Although you can get good, even publishable result with tubes and closeup lenses, noticibly better results can be had with a macro. They are less clunky to use and are flat out sharper at macro magnifications. A macro can be addictive.

I choose which macro to use by considering three factors. First, I consider my field of view. Do I want a wider field of view to put the subject in context or do I want a narrow field of view to eliminate distracting backgrounds. A longer focal length has greater ability to blur the background and to exclude distracting background elements. Second, I look at my lighting and the magnification. For the same magnification, you will be substantially closer with a 50mm macro than with a 180mm. While this may not impact a botanical closeup;with a 50mm at 1:1, you may so close that you shade the plant or scare a bug. Where available, I choose a the macro lens with a tripod mount as I am usually on a tripod and want to keep the load centered on the tripod as opposed to awkwardly hanging off to one side. I chose my Canon 100 macro over competing brands in that focal range because it had a tripod mount.

When choosing a focal length for your first macro lens, I recommend one in the 90-105mm range as a versatile performer. It gives you a decent working distance, in a lens that is not too heavy or expensive. Longer macro lenses tend to be more expensive, bigger and heavier. My 180mm macro is my most used, followed by my 100mm. A good compromise between a 90-105mm macros and the 180-200mm macros is the Sigma 150mm.

Good luck with your explorations. You might also check both the closeups and macro forums.
I shoot primarily plants, macros and closeups. Yo... (show quote)



Love your work.
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Sep 26, 2018 14:38:06   #
Screamin Scott wrote:
The images you posted are really just "close up" and not macro. Unless you are going to photograph the innards of flowers or very tiny ones, a macro lens isn't needed. If you do want one, I would think something in the 60mm range would suffice. Now, if you decide to shoot insects, then something longer would be needed. I use a 105mm macro (macro is my niche) and I have no problems getting close without scaring off the insect. Granted, some will skedaddle, but most don't as long as you know about the subjects proclivities. My Flickr stream (link below) has lots of macro images, flowers as well as insects. I use an older manual focus macro lens from the 1980's even though I have 8 choices in macro lenses from 55 to 180mm in length and MF & AF iterations. Find a link below to my "Flower" album... Note, some of these flowers are very small

https://www.flickr.com/photos/screaminscott/albums/72157594388593116
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BTW, amazing shots.
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Sep 26, 2018 14:34:53   #
Will do, thank you.
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Sep 26, 2018 13:54:04   #
cactuspic wrote:
I shoot primarily plants, macros and closeups. You can check my website: IrwinLightstone.com to check my work. I shoot a full frame camera with the following macros, 15mm, 50mm, 60mm, 70mm, 100mm, 150mm 180mm. All of these macros get to 1:1 magnification (which means the image on the sensor is the same size as the subject). I also shoot several lenses for magnifications greater than life size, as well as a number of older, classic manual focus macros. Here are my observations.

Thanks for the suggestions. I will look into them.
1. For an occasional closeup, zoom lenses (with or without extension tubes or supplemental closeup lens) work well. If you use a close up lens, get the good closeup lens rather than the cheap sets that have significant lens aberrations. Although you can get good, even publishable result with tubes and closeup lenses, noticibly better results can be had with a macro. They are less clunky to use and are flat out sharper at macro magnifications. A macro can be addictive.

I choose which macro to use by considering three factors. First, I consider my field of view. Do I want a wider field of view to put the subject in context or do I want a narrow field of view to eliminate distracting backgrounds. A longer focal length has greater ability to blur the background and to exclude distracting background elements. Second, I look at my lighting and the magnification. For the same magnification, you will be substantially closer with a 50mm macro than with a 180mm. While this may not impact a botanical closeup;with a 50mm at 1:1, you may so close that you shade the plant or scare a bug. Where available, I choose a the macro lens with a tripod mount as I am usually on a tripod and want to keep the load centered on the tripod as opposed to awkwardly hanging off to one side. I chose my Canon 100 macro over competing brands in that focal range because it had a tripod mount.

When choosing a focal length for your first macro lens, I recommend one in the 90-105mm range as a versatile performer. It gives you a decent working distance, in a lens that is not too heavy or expensive. Longer macro lenses tend to be more expensive, bigger and heavier. My 180mm macro is my most used, followed by my 100mm. A good compromise between a 90-105mm macros and the 180-200mm macros is the Sigma 150mm.

Good luck with your explorations. You might also check both the closeups and macro forums.
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