Thank you for posting this. I think of it all the time and Treasure the memories. 1940

Wow! Did you grow up in Tormey in the 40s and 50s too?

Exactly like I remember it. Wouldn't trade it for anything before or since.

I did this math problem a couple of weeks ago for no reason except curiosity.
Current world population 7.5 billion. Very few live over 110 years so chose that as the divisor. 7,500,000,000÷110=68,000,000. 68 million obituaries every year worldwide. I originally used the term "funerals" untill someone reminded me that in some cultures, funerals are combined.

Referring to the original post. The tectonic plates are continuously moving. This builds up stresses. If moving trucks and trains stimulate bursts that release the pressures from time to time , is that worse than waiting for the natural limits to be reached that will release much greater energy in one massive burst?

Major typo on this one. Thanks for noticing. GG grandfather - 1804. G father - yes 1878. His father - g grandfather 1838. Thanks.

The question initially arose when the original photo was posted on a genealogy site as that of my ggf born in 1804. I questioned whether photography had developed in time to have a photograph of someone as young as the man pictured being born back then. Being born in 1804 and if the photo was taken at age 35 the date of the photograph would have been1839 - possible, but he was an obscure resident of a small town in Illinois at age 35. My grandfather, born in 1878? - photography well developed by then.

I appreciate the responses. Very Helpful. The family records are pretty accurate as far as available data is concerned. We have always tried to find certified copies of original documents to verify dates and this family was well documented. I do have one photograph of the man in question taken much later in life (Posted below). The one in the original post is the same image as the one identified in my personal family records as that of my Mother's Father - 1878-1973.

After posting, I had an idea and did a search of early photographs of US presidents - thinking their prominence would give a pretty good historical idea of the timing of photographs in the general population. Interestingly the first president photographed - according to my search - was:

"John Quincy Adams, the sixth President of the United States, was the first president to have his photograph taken. The daguerreotype was shot in 1843, a good number of years after Adams left office in 1829. The first to have his picture taken in office was James Polk, the 11th President, who was photographed in 1849."

This pretty much confirms that the photo in question is more likely my grandfather than my great grandfather.

I guess that is my underlying reason for posting. He looks to me to be about 35 or under - but would appreciate others thoughts.

I have been interested in my Family Tree for a long time. I have done significant research that put together a lot of information over the years. Recently I went online to one of the many websites that deal with family histories. I would like some help with a photograph that I found that is reported to be of my great grandfather, born in 1804. Understanding a bit of the history of Photography, I wonder if the birth date of 1804 and the apparent age of the subject in the photograph is consistent with the equipment and techniques that could have possibly been available in a typical mid-western town at the time when the photograph was apparently taken.

From a friend on Facebook
Is Pacific Gas and Electric company the blame for fires in California? Many will say yes. It is easy to target the biggest companies, and to get public support behind roasting them in the court of public opinion. "Pack mentality" is a term I learned years ago. A useful tool.

In March 2017, Lafayette and PG&E signed an agreement to remove 272 trees, including those along the Lafayette-Moraga Regional Trail and the Lafayette Reservoir Rim Trail. In June 2017, Save Lafayette Trees sued, seeking to rescind the agreement. Save Lafayette Trees contended that cutting down trees would not improve public safety and said the city did not evaluate the environmental impact of removing the trees.

From The sierra club, regarding plans by PG&E to trim brush and trees: "Pacific Gas and Electric (PG&E) is planning to clear cut wide swaths of trees surrounding power lines in an aggressive program that claims to address wildfire hazards as a part of their Fire Safety Zone work." Sierra Club filed a lawsuit to stop the brush and tree removal.

“PG&E is not adequately informing residents of their right to refuse to allow the removal or cutting of vegetation. PG&E is not a regulatory agency and their decisions do not carry the force of law,” Macy wrote in a lengthy email to county supervisors dated Sept. 14. That email also thanked 5th District Supervisor Bruce McPherson for his efforts “to keep PG&E from decimating the roadsides of the Santa Cruz Mountains.”

Santa Cruz County leaders have requested a halt to PG&E’s tree cutting outside city limits, pending a comprehensive study that assesses the combined scope of the removal of multiple trees from both public and private property on its side. Matt Johnston, a Santa Cruz County planner, says this group of informed neighbors has brought the issue to the attention of local officials.

Santa Cruz County land, however, might be a different story. PG&E needs a permit from the county before it can do enhanced vegetation work on land in the county’s right-of-way — for example, land next to county-owned roads and property, Brown said. He said the county can put conditions on the permit to make sure the PG&E work is done in the most environmentally friendly way possible.

The parallel timeline, of reduced logging, reduced livestock grazing, and the increase in California friendly environmental lawsuits, show how fire activity in this state has increased proportionally to the limitations placed upon private Ag and private enterprises.

We don't have a "Climate Change" crisis. We have a "Man Made Crisis".

When the insanity of saving the environment, means burning it to ashes to prove a political point, we have lost sanity.

Our current governor, is a replica of former governors of this state, and is the man holding the match for tomorrow's fires: "Gov. Gavin Newsom issued another scathing rebuke of the mass blackouts roiling California on Thursday, telling the state’s three major investor-owned electric utilities that they have not worked well enough with the government as they cut power to too many people for too long." Progressive government officials cause the problem, then try to tax,and regulate, a way out of the problem they created. It is always somebody else's fault.

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I find this interesting for many reasons. First, I should say that I don't consider myself an accomplished photographer, but rather, I use the means to capture events and memories for future viewing. The attached photo is of a 1923 Marmon Four Passenger Coupe often referred to as a Dr.'s Coupe. I spent ten years restoring this automobile and had spoken to the original owner. The reason I mention it is because this 1923 automobile was very advanced for its day. It was one of the first automobiles to use a pressurized oil system versus the splash system most common then. It also had an aluminum crank case and cylinders as the engine was a derivative of the Liberty Engines used in many of the WWI military aircraft. But the thing that caught my eye and that I think of most often is the steel disk wheels - yes in 1923. Wood spoke wheels were common then and up into the early 1930s. The wire spoke wheels became the first competitor, but steel, and the cast aluminum wheels became the norm much later. Back to the wood spoke wheels. These were built by wheelwrights: These craftsmen had been a staple in the skilled trades for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. Then in a period of about twenty years, or so, this meticulous craft became an archaic memory. Every time I read or hear of of the changes in our technology that impact a product or industry, I can't help thinking of the Wooden Spoke Wheel and the thousands of craftsmen whose occupations so quickly vanished.

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Reading through the responding posts, I honestly don't think there is a right way or "left" way. My reasoning - I am a pilot and airplanes come in two basic configurations as far as the controls are designed. My current airplane - a home-built Kitfox has the throttle mounted between the two side by side seats on an extension below the instrument panel - in front of my right hand. The control stick is between my legs and is held in my left hand. After not flying for about 25 years and approaching flying my newly finished Kitfox for the first time I was required to re-certify with a licensed pilot instructor. Needing a tailwheel configured airplane, it was a Citabria that was available at the training base. Yes - throttle mounted on the left side below the side window and the control stick in my right hand. Keep in mind that the throttle is about as important as the control stick especially on landings where wind gusts can affect the apparent speed of the airplane at the most critical time, as in a landing we are reducing airspeed to that point where the wings will no longer be flying - the stall. A little burst of power at the right time can make a big difference between an OK landing and a significant repair bill. The same can be said about the stick hand - a bit of side to side or fore and aft movement can do the same. Recently I have been reading some NTSB reports on aircraft accidents and have never seen even a hint of concern as to whether a pilot was flying with his right or left hand on the flight controls. I have friends who own and fly two airplanes - a "dirt bike" and a "Gold Wing" - with different control configurations and with many thousands of incident free flying hours. Apparently the muscle memory can shift gears depending on the environment and feel. Right side of the road or the left, though, a big difference for me. A friend once offered me his car to do some sightseeing in New Zealand, but I declined - that is all together different in my view. I dare say I could change my "view", but it would take some time.

I have never been attracted to the new "Growl" look on cars. For that reason A looks a bit less likely to cut in front of me or tail gate me in traffic. A My choice

My guess is that the buyers of your print were offered an up-sale alternative. My feeling is similar to the other comments. It Michaels, or whoever, is intent on making more money through an upgrade, than providing a routine framing, a significant amount of that money should go to the "artist".