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Feb 6, 2024 12:40:16   #
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
This section ain't judgmental. Why throw away a lovely smile? Screwups are part of photography. Murphy's Law looms overhead like the albatrossl into Ancient Mariner.

So, you take waht you got, work it up, put in it a frame, and give it to the nice lady with that smile.


Totally agree with Ed. Sometimes we cannot be prepared when a lovely smile presents itself, but the lovely smile prevails!
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Nov 13, 2023 13:16:49   #
Love #3. Not sure what embracing life is all about but that image makes me want to find out!
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Nov 11, 2023 11:46:23   #
Great expressions and I am sure will be a newsletter hit. You are wise to use 5.6 as they are not equidistant. Your window light is tormenting you as it does all of us as it is not applying itself equally. The guy in red is benefiting the most and the guy in blue has most of his face shadowed. What I would do (simply what I would do) is use an on camera flash bounced off a wall or ceiling to even it out a bit. Also, use a higher ISO and faster shutter. Noise is much easier to handle with today's post processing software.

I did a wedding not long ago where the best spot for formals was in a gazebo with crazy uneven sunlight. I was moving them around, changing the direction of my soft box, and mostly agonizing over it, but made the best out of it. Sometimes a cloud would come by and even out the light and I would shout an internal hallelujah! :)
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Nov 10, 2023 14:46:37   #
vicksart wrote:
Thanks so much for the tips, Jay. This has been a rather steep learning curve for me especially as it pertains to editing. I’m shooting an older group (most are 70+) who don’t like their wrinkles, or shall we say “character lines?” I try to minimize lines with light while wondering what would be an acceptable amount of touch up. Frequency separation seems to help, but it would be very easy to overdo.


Yes, I know exactly what you are working with. Our church is 70+ as well. Those young people and their perfect skin tones are wonderful when it comes to editing right? Yes, it helps to wash away some of the wrinkles with soft light then what I do is a touch of skin softening (just enough that they don't know you did it) and my favorite trick to minimize harsh wrinkles is the patch tool in Photoshop. You select the patch tool from the PS menu. It is there with healing tool, remove tool, and all that. Then circle the wrinkle. You will see blinking dotted lines that you then move to a patch of clear skin. It removes the wrinkle which is too much and not believable. The next step is to go up to edit fade patch selection and move the slider back until it is believable. Like I say, it is my favorite and learned it from a guy doing a workshop years ago. However, sometimes it is what it is. :)
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Nov 10, 2023 10:49:51   #
Hi Vicki,

I have been absent from UHH for quite some time as I have kind of leveled off the learning process and stopped buying equipment and only do work for family, friends, and charity. Anyway, one of those charities called and asked if I could do some staff pictures. Not sure if I would get it figured out (been 2 yrs), but I threw a bunch of that equipment in the car and gave it a whirl. Looking at your post here has been quite enjoyable reading recommendations from the masters of photographic lighting.

So, I will share my experience to give you another option and I would like to invite comments from others to see what they think. I used a large soft box on an AD600 and positioned it camera left about 7 ft. up (I go by feel) and positioned a reflector at floor level to illuminate the neck and right side of face. I had another soft box and AD200 camera right, but never turned it on as I liked the results without it. I used a pop up white background as they like a white background (sometimes blue).

Now, to your black background and black hair problem I thought what would happen if I went into LR, masked the background and turn it black? Well, it worked at least from my less than master perspective. The hair is still illuminated and in the last picture I masked the hair and brought up the highlights a bit. So, the images are out of camera, edited for white background, background turned black, and hair enhanced a bit.


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Aug 1, 2023 22:31:55   #
Looks like you were ready for that unexpected opportunity!
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Feb 7, 2023 13:10:24   #
The turkeys are frequent visitors.


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Jan 8, 2023 19:57:15   #
Craig, I will weigh in with observations that I believe reflect the typical viewer and that of course is based on the individual viewing the photograph. There may be some (perhaps the people in the hammock) where the composition means something special and reminds them of the experience. However, when my eye takes in the image I first see the "thicket" or multitude of branches and elicits an unpleasant feeling of trying to navigate through the thicket. My eyes then go to the red bright spot and it takes some zooming in to determine what it is. There is also, a creek drawing attention and a few bright leaves floating about. The creek is broken up by the thicket and trees which does not lead us through the image in any way. Also, the large foreground of leaves on the ground is not helpful to the image.

Now, my suggestions. I would look for an angle where the creek leads us through the image and eliminates much of the distracting stuff for lack of a better word. I would be tempted as uncomfortable as it would be to lay flat on the ground crawling up to that fallen tree and frame the image using the triangular shaped opening where the tree is falling. Possibly, the creek would lead our eye through the image to the hammock which in a closer view would be more identifiable. That may not work as imagined. If not look for another composition which simplifies the viewing and tells a story.

My take on the image.

Jay
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Apr 21, 2022 13:23:55   #
Tim Stapp wrote:
I forgot to add, the wedding sited had that stipulation of no flash during the ceremony.

Regarding shooting with Bob: unfortunately, Covid put all that down. Last that I spoke with Bob, he closed down his business. Covid also hit his daughter's wedding venue business hard. I've only done one wedding since November 2019, and that was a freebie for a family member. It was our wedding gift to them.


Yes, Oct. 2021 was my last wedding although I stay busy with charity events and holiday pics. I am not in business mode anymore for photography, just request only from family and friends. COVID was tough on the wedding industry, but hopefully the Indiana wedding venue is doing well now. In Ohio every available venue is booked up this year.
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Apr 21, 2022 13:16:14   #
usnret wrote:
What gear do you plan to take? Camera bodies, fast lenses, on and off camera lighting, Props etc. Also think about doing some outdoor shots, weather permitting.


Got all those boxes checked.
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Apr 20, 2022 12:05:46   #
Tim Stapp wrote:
Can I add: if possible, be there for the rehearsal. Hopefully, it will be near the time of the ceremony the next day (and pray that the weather forecast is the same for both days!).

Bring a hand held light meter and measure your exposures for each location that you intend to shoot from.

The reason that I say this is this: The very first wedding that I shot solo was at 4:00 in the afternoon on August 8th. The alter faced due west with a 20 ft x40 ft glass wall behind it. Had I relied upon camera exposure, I'd have been extremely underexposed on the subject. To complicate matters, only the bride was in white. The entire bridal party was dressed in black.

Initially: the officiant decreed that no flash during the ceremony and the photographer had to be out of sight during the ceremony. The pastor had a fabulous wedding assistant that had plant removed from the alter that would have impeded photographing from certain angles, left things unbalanced, etc.

He eventually let me shoot during the ceremony from the "wings" in order to allow me to get shots of the sand ceremony, placing of the rings and other intimate portions that only occur IF you're able to see the couple's faces.

He later told me that I was the only photographer that had gotten properly exposed photos from his alter. It was only because: A: I was there for the rehearsal, taking manual light meter readings and B: I left notes of my settings at each shooting location (I believe that I forgot to mention that earlier. I had 3 locations that I shot from, with notes on the floor of my manual settings).

Additionally, I had a camera on a tripod in the choir loft for my VERY inexperienced wife to shoot for the "First Kiss" The Bride loved that shot!

Here's the link to my original post: https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-330468-1.html
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Thank you Tim! Good to hear from you.
Attending the rehearsal in my opinion is one of the most impactful and overlooked aspects to wedding photography preparation. When they tell me that "you don't have to come to the rehearsal" I explain that it is also my rehearsal, both in understanding lighting/settings but timing and positioning of the ceremony. Also, just as important getting to know everyone. Learning names and getting a feel for when the emotions and interactions will happen are also key.

I will have a light meter and it may be important as I like to mix natural light with just enough strobe to enhance skin tones and make colors pop. Often times that recipe can only be dialed up at the time of the wedding as circumstances change rapidly.

I had an experience very similar to yours a few years ago when I did a wedding at the Greek Orthodox Church. No flash allowed, I was to stay put at a podium stage left, and a very inexperienced daughter in this case up in the loft. It worked though because I did go to the rehearsal and note the settings. Also, I cheated a little bit as far as moving around. I was concerned about getting faces, but with anticipatience I got key shots of everything.

Take care. Are you still shooting with Bob?
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Mar 31, 2022 17:37:05   #
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
You will do just fine! it's all a matterof timing. As an example, sometimes in a chur or another venue, there are a lot of balconies. Durnhg man religious and civil services there is a time when the officiant will offer some kind of sermon or similar speech that is not during one of the key highlights like ring exchanges, blessings, their rituals or the final kiss and recessional. So, during that recitation, I dart (that's enthusiasm for dragging my old bones) up to the elevated place and make a few quick shots. I may place another camera on a trip up there in advance. Anotere use of those lofts is the place for an of the camera flash to employ during the festivities.

Attaced is some lighting ideas. Notice the high shooting angles on the dance floor and the position ofhte lig in the various diagrams. A small platform type stepladder is my friend.
You will do just fine! it's all a matterof timing... (show quote)


Ed, thanks for the lighting ideas and a reminder to bring my Gorilla Ladder. Nice and wide steps and strong enough to hold this big guy.
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Mar 30, 2022 13:55:16   #
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
You have done it before so now you are gonna do it again.

You have made the preparations and all your gear is good to go.

I usually work with an assistant but not necessarily a second shooter. Since I usually employ multiple flashes, even on many of the candid shots, my assistant is my mobile light stand and he or she can anticipate my shots and place the light quickly and accordingly. On a smaller job, I sometimes work solo and place a few lights around the venue on stationary stands.

If you are not using multiple lights or only on limited shots such as the formals, your yet untrained assistant can just be a helpful extra set of hands. You can't fully train someone in a few hours and "laying down the law" is not the best approach. I like to think that most folks who volunteer want to be helpful, creative and have the intelligence to do so. In a case like yours, on this job, I would assume that I am gonna do just about every myself and any additional help will be appreciated.

On a small or medium size wedding in a barn (a nice informal venue), you do not need a second shooter to make hundreds of useless images. You know how to be at the right place at the right time to catch all of the action. Being able to anticipate the action is the trick that comes with your experience.

On a solo shoot, my approach is easy. You can not be in two places at the same time so the client has to help you apportion your time. If the couple will NOT see each other before the ceremony, be sure to get in early and arrange to shoot the bride, here folks and the female bridal party BEFORE the ceremony- shoot her portraits at that time. This means you will need to assemble that gang about an hour and a half before the ceremony. If there is time, shoot the groom, his folks and guys in advance. If they are all on-site, you can pull that off.

IF HOWEVER, the couple will get together before the ceremony, I gather the enter group 3 hours before the ceremony and shoot all of the formals and preparation shots, then I can be free to short all of the photojournalistic shots without bothering anyone or causing any delays. If I can secure this kind of cooperation it is great, everyone is fresh and sober before the ceremony and in exchange, they get 100% free celebration time.

Otherwise, you will need an interlude just after the ceremony, before the reception or party to shoot the combined portraits and groups- perhaps an hour.

You needn't worry about your one-time assistant but you have to work out a strict schedule with the bride, groom and their bridal party and parents etc. As you know, once a wedding gets going, there is a trajectory. If there's not a set plan as to when some form shots and groups can be done, you will end up running around the place like a headless chicken all day!

This all assumes the clients do want some formal or casual formals. If they want complete photojournalistic coverage, that's OK but I usually advise my clients against that. I explain that elegant and flattering images do not materialize by magic and I need THEIR cooperation. I also promise, if I am free to concentrate on the photojournalistic part of the coverage, I will deliver many strictly unposed, candid, fun, and impromptu shots.

Shoot lots, shoot fast, and shoot carefully!
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Such a wise seasoned photographer you are Ed. My thought on the one time assistant was to use her to catch shots from different angles and heights rather than just follow me around. For example maybe the barn has a loft and she can position there while I am on ground level. She would definitely be more value as an assistant during the formals, possible sunset shots, etc... As you know, the worst thing about "other" shooters during the formals is that they steal the eyes of the wedding party. Good idea regarding doing the formals early.
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Mar 29, 2022 15:20:43   #
SENSORLOUPE wrote:
I am Not a Pro---have been shooting for years------but I did shoot in an old barn last summer. I did not use a flash, just to be considerate to the paid photographers. Light shown through all the slats, very old. Here are a couple that I shot. It was in June and very, very, very HOT, and no Air!! I am a Canon shooter, but shot this with a Nikon D3300 w/18-55 lens. Just my experience! I'm sure there will be plenty of excellent examples to follow. Good luck!


Thanks Sensorloupe! Lighting can be beautiful coming through slats and backlighting the bridal couple. I may send these images to my friend for decorating ideas.
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Mar 29, 2022 09:09:05   #
Dannj wrote:
You’re going to see the same comments that pop up all the time here about weddings. For what it’s worth: set and manage the expectations. Check out the venue ahead of time. Make sure all your equipment is functioning, extra batteries, camera cards, etc.. Get all the “formals” done early, etc..
Keep in mind that everyone (I think!) wants quality pictures to remember their special day, expectations vary…which takes me back to my first statement😊


I know, there will probably be a lot of the typical comments even the "DON'T DO IT" comments. I was just trying to get some discussion going in this group. I know Ed misses it

I am big on preparation. Batteries charged and backup batteries handy. I also like to visit the venue at least once and test lighting then rehearse at the rehearsal. My concern here is that this is a 6 hr. drive so my only chance is to get there a day or two early.

I don't know what type of barn this is but how about some thoughts from anyone who has shot a wedding in a barn?
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