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Mar 1, 2018 15:52:04   #
paulrph1 wrote:
Anyone who has been following the shooting as of late would know that they are all set-ups. There are still many unanswered question about the Vegas shooting, like multiple shooters and some have proven beyond a doubt that there were more than one. And this Florida shooting leaves little doubt as to what the liberals will do to get more gun laws passed. Don't believe me, do the research.


Not directly related to your post, but your post somehow sparked the thought.....

I find it very interesting that two weeks ago there was so much immediate concern about DACA and now that has all just gone *POOF* .... tossed aside in favor of the tragic cause du jour.

Is new firearms legislation (that very likely won’t solve anything and will make things much more difficult (and waste precious government resources) for everyone.
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Feb 28, 2018 05:15:51   #
cwp3420 wrote:
There are plenty of families in America struggling financially, and who have a firearm to protect their families. For many, spending money on a safe is not in their budget. Why should they be penalized for what a criminal may do?


I didn’t say they should be penalized.

We had guns in our home without a safe. When our kids were teens, we got a “cheap” safe....not to keep them from our kids (they were taught gun safety very early because we had them in the house....they were also taught internet safety, which was our parental controls). The safe was to keep their friends away, just in case.

As we bought more, including “assault” rifles, we bought a heavy, expensive, proper safe to safeguard the weapons from falling into the wrong hands in the unlikely event we were burglarized. I’d have preferred a Caribbean vacation, but the safe was the responsible choice.
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Feb 27, 2018 22:46:19   #
SharpShooter wrote:
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Then, one by one, you put them in prison if they keep being criminals.
You pass Legislation to outlaw guns.
It will take a shift in what the way the Supreme Court views the Second Amendment! How many more mass shootings do you think it will take for the republicans to start to disagree with the NRA?
Already there is NO chance EVER that ordinary citizens will need to assemble to defend this country. That will be anarchy at its finest.
Already there is NOT one citizen that needs a gun to protect the back forty against wild Indians. They’ve already been k**led.
Already there is not ONE citizen that needs to hunt for food. There’s a 7/11 on every corner.
Already you only need a gun to defend your castle if the guy breaking in has a gun too.
The role of the gun in the Wild West is a thing of the past.
“A well regulated m*****a”, is subject to interpretation and interpreted it will be.
How many more children and adults have to die before the Supreme Court reinterprets that clause and declares your guns illegal? Maybe when the kids from Florida have 5 justices sitting on the Supreme Court but it’s coming. Not today and maybe not tomorrow but maybe the day after that, but it IS coming.
I don’t expect the old burned out bulb in your old head to ever turn on, but old woman, we’re into the age of LED’s and many bulbs will burn bright, maybe after you and I are DEAD!!! History will progress without us.
The big question is just whether you were on the sidelines or helped usher in the newer generations!!!
SS
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have gun... (show quote)


You could sell that script to Lifetime.
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Feb 27, 2018 19:17:17   #
SharpShooter wrote:
This is a difficult concept to conprehend if you have a low IQ.
So I’ll start with a VERY easy question.....
If ZERO guns where available to the people in this country, how many guns would be in the hands of bad guys???
In case you’re too dumb to figure it out, the answers is ZERO!
As long as there are guns available to even ONE person the possibility is there for there to be one shooter.
Go ahead now, give me your pro-gun numbskull argument about the 2nd Amendment!!! LoL
SS
This is a difficult concept to conprehend if you h... (show quote)


I want to know how you’re going to get this country to a count of zero guns (the original question)... Then I’ll answer your question.

Go!
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Feb 27, 2018 05:40:37   #
mjmoore17 wrote:
Because the laws that we have are not adequate and you along with the NRA do not want to strengthen them. Want a farce, to try and identify as a victim. The real victims are the thousands k**led every year from your desire to expand your sexual organ.


Now that’s a rational argument.
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Feb 27, 2018 05:38:38   #
Wellhiem wrote:
Do you mean that training and testing are required for a firearm license?


Yes
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Feb 26, 2018 22:43:39   #
Wellhiem wrote:
That's true, but, you do require a license, training and testing.


That’s currently required for both.
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Feb 26, 2018 20:11:08   #
Wellhiem wrote:
It's not really a case of punishing anyone. Some people may be perfectly capable of driving through a town at 150MPH. But, a lot of people aren't so the law prohibits it for all. The vast majority of gun owners may be perfectly responsible, But there doesn't seem to be any way of telling who is or isn't before an event. We seem to be stuck in a sort of all or nothing attitude. What's needed is some form of middle ground between guns for all and a blanket ban.

My suggestions would be:
Compulsory training and testing before being issued with a license.
Continued training on a regular basis, (I don't know what frequency that should be).
Re-testing every five years
Severe penalties for anyone selling a gun to someone who doesn't have a license with the onus being on the seller to ensure that the gun is registered in the new owners name before handing it over.
Accountability for every round of ammunition purchased.
Gun theft to be treated as a serious crime, (not only in terms of sentencing, but also the effort put into recovering them).
Practice shooting to be restricted to registered firing ranges, (this would aid accoutability of amunition).
Age restriction, (probably 21 but I don't know).

None of the above could be achieved over night, so there would need to be period between announcing these rules and enforcing them in order to give people the oportunity to comply.
There also needs to be some sort of attitude change. In most other countries, if you have a child who's not fitting in well at school, has become something of a recluse with no friends, and seems to be bullied, we tend to encourage extracaricular activities where they can meet new people and make friends. We don't try to cheer them up by buying them a semmi-automatic rifle and encouraging them to take it to their next show and tell.
It's not really a case of punishing anyone. Some p... (show quote)

Your speed limit analogy doesn’t outlaw driving. Nor does it outlaw using a Maserati when a Chevette will get you there just as well.
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Feb 26, 2018 20:08:35   #
Twardlow wrote:
But, don’t consider the NRA, Weapons Manufacturers or Owners and neutral commentators on the issue.

And impartiality requires we also listen to the kids from Florida, and other victims and interested parties, including emergency room physicians.


I don’t recall ever saying to exclude anyone. BTW....none of those on your list are impartial, either.
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Feb 26, 2018 15:33:28   #
thom w wrote:
We do that to some extent. Statistics show that the majority of alcohol caused accidents are caused by drivers with a .2 or higher blood alcohol level. To appease MAD the limit has been lowered to .08. Because some drivers might become inebriated if allowed to drink while driving, non of us can drink while they drive, and neither can their passengers. Seriously, a hot cup of coffee is much more dangerous than a cold beer. We already have laws against driving with a .08 blood level. Have you ever protested these things? We should do the studies and when they are completed and the results are published we should see where we all stand. Minds might be changed from either side.
We do that to some extent. Statistics show that th... (show quote)


We haven’t made alcohol illegal. We have legislated morality and allowed penalizing those who don’t use their own sound judgment after drinking.....but we haven’t banned alcohol for the whole society to protect those who drink illegally. Furthermore, we don’t restrict ownership or consumption in private and/or when the consumer is not driving.
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Feb 26, 2018 15:30:10   #
thom w wrote:
There will be no really good answers as long as the feds stop any government sponsored research on the subject.
I'm not suggesting research on the effects of the gun laws as they stand, though I wouldn't be opposed to it. There should be a study on school massacres and how to throttle them back. There might also be a study on how to cut down on gun violence in this country and how to either lower it or at least have fewer innocent victims. The NRA shouldn't be part of it and gun manufacturers shouldn't be part of it. Probably gun dealers as well, but gun owners should be welcome, their input is valuable, or at least may be.
There will be no really good answers as long as th... (show quote)


That makes sense. I would suggest you don’t discount the expertise of the NRA, weapons manufacturers or owners just because you don’t agree with what they stand for.
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Feb 26, 2018 11:35:32   #
Wellhiem wrote:
The problem is that the market for the illegal gun owners is flooded. The more legal guns there are, the more will be stolen or sold on. This makes them more affordable for criminals.


Your answer then is to punish everyone else?

What about the number of alcohol-related deaths among teens. Should we make alcohol illegal for everyone to limit their supply?

It’s the same logic.
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Feb 26, 2018 09:49:45   #
dirtpusher wrote:
Yup 77 months growth. Your clueless but r****t.


Awwwwww......now you went and hurt my feelings. That makes everything you say right.
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Feb 26, 2018 09:47:51   #
McKinneyMike wrote:
No it would not. A private seller is most states is not required to do a background check before selling a personal firearm. Should everyone be required to sell all firearms thru an FFL? Yes I think that this would in the years following, help to lessen the guns available on the black market. NRA is firmly against this thought.


So am I. If I’m responsible enough to own a weapon then I’m also responsible enough to ensure a proper disposition of the weapon.
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Feb 26, 2018 09:46:05   #
wilpharm wrote:
thats total bulls**t..do you think every gun owner has a gunsafe..or that not having one makes him/her irresponsible??


Actually, not having one does make the owner irresponsible.
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