MDI Mainer wrote:
Glad to hear you went ahead with the purchase and had a positive experience.
A year or so back I took a gamble on a Nomatic camera backpack (list $399) for $39.99 and hit the jackpot, so unbelievable deals are out there for those who are willing to be adventurous.
It has become totally a crap shoot to buy anything at a reduced price no matter where you buy it from. Scam artists are taking advantage of the fact that there ARE indeed some instances where a person can catch a break on the price of an item when it appears to be "too good to be true." I have bought several things via Facebook Marketplace and Instagram adverts and have yet to buy anything from either place that has not been a petty scam which I'm sure adds up for the scammers. All my purchases were with Paypal and I have had to fight with them to get a refund, been turned down three times when it is clear I've been scammed and had to repeal and argue with them to get redress. The scammers are using the adverts copied from the legitimate merchants and either sending a cheap substitute product or no product at all. The scammers convolute their company name, address, etc., from the original advert, send you a tracking number under another name, bill Paypal under another name, and the bogus product arrives to you either with no return address or a different name and address than previous correspondence, email, etc. If you try to contact the support number given and you're lucky enough to not have your email returned for "no such address" or "there was an error in the process," you get a reply reassuring you that your product is legitimate and "on the way" but it still may never arrive. Your tracking is for China Post and your tracking facility is a third party. Once your package arrives at a USPS facility it gets a USPS tracking number but if there is no package sent or if it's a bogus product it makes no difference if you can track it or not. Paypal forces you to make contact with the seller in an attempt to get redress and the company tells you if you return the merchandise they will refund what you paid minus the shipping and you have to pay the return shipping which is at a rate often greater than the cost of the product you bought. Paypal is often a joint culprit in this process because they fail to vet the merchant. These Chinese scammers are not just hurting the buyers - they are also making it impossible for a legitimate liquidator to get rid of their merchandise in case such as bankrupt stock disposal. I don't know what the answer is and I don't know how it's happening but somehow these Chinese scammers are making some money out of this process or they wouldn't be doing it and they're doing it with Paypal' help even if Paypal isn't aware of the fact they are complicit.
A few months back there were some huge adverts scattered around about a warehouse located in California that accepted and handled all the "returns" from Amazon, Walmart, Target, etc., was "bundling" photo equipment in mystery bundles and you could buy a "box full" for $39.95 and it might contain a returned camera with multiple kit lens or it might contain just a bunch of accessories, straps, filters, flashes, etc., but guaranteed it would be worth more than what you paid for the box - all major credit cards, Paypal, Venmo, Google Pay, etc., available. The payment method has traditionally been the tipoff to a scam but no longer. All these legitimate credit forms are being compromised with this stuff. Being a bit of a gambler, I bought two of these boxes and the process I outlined above was set in motion. A month later I sent an email to "support" and got the runaround - "rest assured and please be patient, the boxes is on the way."
Now, if you buy several items within a certain time frame so you're waiting on several items to arrive, which I often do especially during the pandemic and no local shopping, and you don't keep meticulous records of what you're supposed to receive, when, from whom, and where, with the convolution described above, it can be almost impossible to figure out what you have received and from whom. I kept waiting to receive these two one cubic boxes full of goodies and I received two little envelops, one with a "cube camera" I can buy for $6 and the other a small envelop with a child's ring worth about $1.50 neither from an address mentioned in any advert I had responded to. I complained and the process began -"send it back and..." the process I outlined above.
I WILL NOT buy anything else advertised on Facebook Marketplace or Instagram which is going to hurt those who are legitimate. For those of you who like to dump YOUR morality on others by saying "you're a damn fool and deserve to be scammed" because there is no such thing as a bargain and "you get what you pay for," you are the one being screwed in life a little bit at a time every time you pay full price for something because there are legitimate bargains out there and have been for many years. Bonafide liquidators who help dispose of bankrupt stock are vital part of our society and there are many, many people who sell very valuable stuff way underpriced due to ignorance, negligence, and often even on purpose and I have been the beneficiary of their generosity on many, many occasions. To be sure, there are times when it's better to not avail yourself of those bargain situations but there are some highly valuable rewards for shopping secondary markets if you know what you are doing. This thing that's going on with the Chinese scammers needs to be shut down but apparently it'll take time for the likes of Paypal, et. al., to see the pattern and put a stop to it.
In the meantime, the scammers are altering the benefits to those attempting to utilized a traditional necessary alternative method to the normal retail process who have something they MUST sell and those who would be their customers trying to maximize their buying power and keeping our landfills from overflowing in the process. To me and many people like me, it is the person who always pays the highest price they can find for something they want is the idiot here who is willing to pay good money unnecessarily for something they can get cheaper and I'm not even a borderline skinflint. Think twice before you say "you get what you pay for" when you are meaning to say that if you don't pay top dollar you cannot get something that's of value equal to that for which you pay top dollar. That is an overly conservative statement that is just not factually correct and make no mistake about it, regardless of what our official government policy is, we are allowing foreign sources to alter our way of life and our commerce methods in this country. They are taking unfair advantage of our traditional mode of "giving the benefit of doubt," and "playing by the Marquis of Queensbury's rules" with regard to our respect for our fellow man and the concept of fairness. We are within a hair of being dependent on the Chinese because we have allowed them to produce too many things that we traditionally need in our society as it currently exists and we have no alternative but to be at their mercy or do without.
Sure, I don't have to have "mystery packages" and I'm "broke from sucking them eggs" but the worst part is that our society and traditions are being systematically broken down. It hasn't been long ago that it was not easy to get a merchant's credit card account from the likes of Visa, Mastercard, and American Express even if you've lived in the U. S. all your life and wanted to start a legitimate business and now apparently every petty Chinese scam artist is qualified???