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Feb 7, 2015 14:12:37   #
larrypayne wrote:
If you had replied to the members, the replies would be recorded for members to see. That is the purpose of a forum--to exchange opinions and ideas.

If you only communicate through PMs, you are defeating the purpose of the forum.

If you're against science denial, what do you think brought down the 3 Towers on 9/11?


Sigh...now I see the problem the others on this thread have with you. Facts don't matter, and when they get in the way you change the topic.
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Feb 7, 2015 13:12:02   #
larrypayne wrote:
Esoteric medical language can be easily manipulated by a medical professional such as I presume you are.

I read the Haaertz article in it's entirety before they started requiring membership. It did not include any of what you have said.
If you doubt that I portrayed the original paper fairly, why don't you read it yourself, rather than relying on a non-scientist's newspaper interpretation. I have not read the entire Haretz article, but if they said anything beside what I said, then they are wrong. So, instead of ad hominem attacks, how about responding to the facts I put up in the actual research paper?

I have a curiosity about new members who join the Attic forums.

I check out their posting history and I checked yours.

Your introductory post of one of your photos had many complimentary answers and some of them asked questions.

You did not answer any of those friendly replies nor did you answer any of their questions.

I find it a bit odd when a person joins a photography forum and then neglects to answer any of those whose common interest the forum is designed to share.

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-224883-1.html
I did reply, and got into several interesting discussions, one notable one about watches. I have also posted other photographs. If you take a look at the dates, you will find that I joined the Attic well after I began receiving the newsletter, and after I opened an account. In fact, I didn't know the Attic existed until fairly late. I am not a troll, the evidence being that I use reputable sources of information to discredit those who misinterpret or lie, especially about scientific issues. There is lots to do since the cornerstone of ignorance is science denialism.
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Feb 7, 2015 12:08:08   #
larrypayne wrote:
It appears you have no source for your claims.

It appears I do have a source for my claims - the original paper (Nature Communications 4, Article number: 2739 doi:10.1038/ncomms3739
Received 13 August 2013 Accepted 09 October 2013 Published 19 November 2013). Here is the abstract:

"Schizophrenia and bipolar disorder are major psychiatric disorders with high heritability and overlapping genetic variance. Here we perform a genome-wide association study in an ethnically homogeneous cohort of 904 schizophrenia cases and 1,640 controls drawn from the Ashken**i Jewish population. We identify a novel genome-wide significant risk locus at c********e 4q26, demonstrating the potential advantages of this founder population for gene discovery. The top single-nucleotide polymorphism (SNP; rs11098403) demonstrates consistent effects across 11 replication and extension cohorts, totalling 23, 191 samples across multiple ethnicities, regardless of diagnosis (schizophrenia or bipolar disorder), resulting in Pmeta=9.49 × 10&#8722;12 (odds ratio (OR)=1.13, 95% confidence interval (CI): 1.08–1.17) across both disorders and Pmeta=2.67 × 10&#8722;8 (OR=1.15, 95% CI: 1.08–1.21) for schizophrenia alone. In addition, this intergenic SNP significantly predicts postmortem cerebellar gene expression of NDST3, which encodes an enzyme critical to heparan sulph**e metabolism. Heparan sulph**e binding is critical to neurite outgrowth, axon formation and synaptic processes thought to be aberrant in these disorders."

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Why would a Jewish news website intentionally mislead readers about the percentage of Ashken**i Jews who are susceptible to mental disorder?


The Jewish website may not be misleading its readers. I assume that you don't subscribe to "Haaretz", so you (and I, and all non-subscribers) only saw the introductory sentence or two to the article, and then you ran with your instant interpretation. Without going into the complex lingo of genetics (which I have taught at the university level for many years), the authors describe a gene, known as 4q26. A single base mutation of 4q26 is associated with increased risk of developing schizophrenia. They used the Ashken**i population of schizophrenics because they are relatively homogeneous genetically, but they reported the same mutation to be present across multiple ethnicities, and to be associated with the development of schizophrenia across the board. In point of fact, the purpose of the study was to show how using a genetically homogeneous population can be used to identify specific mutations that affect the general population, but are difficult to link to specific mutations because of their genetic heterogeneity.
If you need any help in understanding any of the Nature Communications paper, I'll be glad to interpret, but the above is a fair summary of their findings.
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Feb 7, 2015 08:42:21   #
larrypayne wrote:
The Haaertz article does not say what you posted.

The gene is not described as a mutation. It's described as a gene which all Ashken**i Jews possess.

What is your source?


I read the original article. The gene in question is carried by all human beings. This particular mutation of that gene is present in higher frequency in Ashken**i Jews than in the general population, similar to the case with Tay-Sachs syndrome. Don't rely on news reports of science- they always get it wrong by trying to simplify complex or subtle ideas.
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Feb 6, 2015 12:29:29   #
larrypayne wrote:
I'm r****t, Graham?

For quoting what was reported on a Jewish website:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.560128

Explain how that is r****t.

I posted information you need to know which might explain your erratic behavior on this forum.

It is r****t because it is a complete misquote of the results of the study. The authors identified a genetic mutation that increases the chances of schizophrenia in Ashken**i Jews by 40%. If all Ashken**i Jews bore the mutation, then there would be A 40% increase in the population, but the actual distribution is below 1%, so the risk is well below 1%.
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Feb 5, 2015 13:19:23   #
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
The media insists that it’s raining measles and everyone should get the MMR v*****e, made by Merck, to protect themselves.

Even Obama has publicly stated, “those who don’t get their shots can pose a risk to infants and other people who can’t get v******ted.”
He assures parents that v*****e science is “pretty indisputable.”
What science is he looking at?

First of all, as a non-v******ted person, you’re more likely to die from an ant bite than you are from measles.This is true only because v******tion has reduced the measles rate to very low levels. Would an ant bite give you encephalitis, pneumonia, ear infections or diarrhea. Measles does, and is far more infectious than ant bites, so you are more likely to be affected.
Are you afraid of ants?

Then you shouldn’t be afraid of measles or the unv******ted.

Still though, millions of parents are frothing at the mouth, enraged at parents who choose not to v******te, supposedly risking herd immunity. The bigots among them want to sue the family who refuses to accept pharmaceutical propaganda and questions v*****e safety and effectiveness.
Yet, I can sue you if you start a bonfire on your property, and it consumes my house. If you don't want to v******te, then you should be prepared to take responsibility for your decision, not throw it onto innocent bystanders.
Well, you can try and sue me.

I have three unv******ted kids So you do take advantage of herd immunity, even though you don't believe in it! (along with a 1986 BMW and a much newer, 1999 Toyota 4-Runner with really nice tires – big time assets for the litigious).

Unlike working with the media, at least I’d be able to show all the facts in a courtroom.

I’d start by proving that herd immunity is a failed hypothesis and should never be used to divide parents or rationalize the blind use of v*****es.
Fortunately, herd immunity is very easy to test: Find a v******ted herd and monitor them for infection.
This has been done. Take a look at the polio statistics before the introduction of v******tion for this disease, and after. Take a look at the incidence of measles before and after the introduction of v******tion for this disease.
Repeat.

That’s science: The observation of reproducible results

Observing the MMR v******ted herd, we find that they get sick, often. The New England Journal of Medicine published that, “An outbreak of measles occurred among adolescents in Corpus Christi, Texas, in the spring of 1985, even though v******tion requirements for school attendance had been thoroughly enforced.”
Interestingly, you fail to mention that none of the 1732 students who were seropositive for measles antibodies (attained through immunization) got measles, while of 74 seronegative v******ted students (immunization failure rate of about 4%), 14 got the disease. That's less than one percent actually failed to react to the immunization and got sick. That study showed that a second booster markedly increased antibody levels, but unfortunately the authors didn't describe whether there was a correlation between second booster and susceptibility to measles: the only correlation was with antibody titer. The authors conclude that herd immunity is not surefire. All the more reason, IMHO, to obtain immunization.

A thorough investigation, as outlined in my book, Over-The-Counter Natural Cures, shows how this same scenario has happened worldwide, numerous times. Even naturally acquired immunity fails to “protect the herd!” I hope the book contains better logic and fact citing than on display here.

This failure of herd immunity was also stressed by the medical journal, Clinical Infectious Diseases. Warning against using the v*****e for protection, they wrote, “Other problems arise because herd immunity is not the same as biologic (immunologic) immunity; individuals protected only by indirect herd effects remain fully susceptible to infection, should they ever be exposed.”
Could you provide me with this citation. As stated, it seems to be a ringing endorsement for universal v******tion
T***slation, “Herd immunity can’t protect you. Only your i****e s****m can.”

Unfortunately, the MMR v*****e won’t bolster your i****e s****m. It’s a complete failure. That science is indisputable and proven both in the lab and the courtroom. Interesting what you call "indisputable and proven". The Merck suit has not been adjudicated, so it is an allegation, not "indisputable and proven". Time will tell. While waiting you might want to read the full text of the report about the Corpus Christie outbreak you described earlier, which showed that, despite you assertion that the "MMR v*****e won't bolster your i****e s****m", they actually found a successful immunization rate of 99.2%. I'd say that what was "indisputable and proven" is that immunization does work, and that herd immunization is not an absolute protection. However, in a well-immunized herd the few who cannot be immunized do receive a level of protection above that obtained by hoping for the best.

In 2012, a class action lawsuit —United States v. Merck & Co. and Chatom Primary Care v. Merck & Co. – two virologists from Merck proved that the drug giant “falsified testing of the efficacy of the drug and misstated the drug’s efficacy to the government as having a 95 percent efficacy rate.”

In the court trial, it was discovered that, “Merck incorporated the use of animal antibodies to artificially inflate the results, but it too failed to achieve Merck’s fabricated efficacy rate. Confronted with two failed methodologies, Merck then falsified the test data to guarantee the results it desired. Could you please provide me with the citation for this. To my knowledge, the case has not been heard and adjudicated yet. No court trial=no court findings.

Having reached the desired, albeit falsified, efficacy threshold, Merck submitted these fraudulent results to the Food & Drug Administration (“FDA”) and European Medicines Agency (“EMA”).”

The CDC, along with Obama and the media need to check their facts better. After all, it’s a child’s life we’re talking about here!

It gets worse.

Following the trail of the the government “science” leads you to CDC researcher Poul Thorsen. He was indicted by the Department of Justice for v*****e research fraud and money laundering. He is currently on the Office of the Inspector Generals most wanted list.

There’s very little to debate when you have the facts.

Can't disagree with you there, but you don't have the facts. Yes, Thorsen is a fraudster first class, but there are other studies (for example, this: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-7610.2005.01425.x/full) and many, many others that have demonstrated that there is no demonstrable link between the measles v*****e and autism.

The unv******ted parents have justifiable concerns to avoid shots. But, the v******ted, even more so.

One brave father stepped forward to show pictures of his 15 month old son playing with his tool box and scrambling through the house to use them on furniture and toys. Days later he received his MMR shot. 18 years later, he’s still in diapers and learning to speak.
Even you can't believe that this proves anything at all. It is just as likely (if not more likely) that toxins in the toolbox caused the child's autism. In fact, the probability is that neither caused this sad event.
I’ll risk measles any day over Merck’s bulls**t science.

When herd immunity and v*****es are proven failures, you can’t use them as evidence to encourage v******tion or to sue a family who refuses to accept the flawed status-quo perpetuated by the pharmaceutically compliant politicians and the media.
So...when v******tion are proven success (as they have been despite your bald and misdirected assertions), can you use them as evidence to encourage v******tion, or to sue a family whose unv******ted child developed a preventable disease that was then t***smitted to a not-yet-v******ted infant? Do the parents bear no responsibility?
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Jan 28, 2015 23:21:19   #
The title of this thread reflects a common misunderstanding of this thing called "g****l w*****g". Much of the additional heat energy in the atmosphere goes into water - mainly the oceans. As a result we are seeing increases in ocean temperature that outstrip any previously seen. Instead of heat, think of energy being deposited in the ocean. Then, when a storm moves over the ocean surface it takes up that energy, gaining strength. Hence, hurricane Sandy and the major snow storms on the east coast in the last few years. So, yes, g****l w*****g is responsible for historic blizzards, as counterintuitive as that seems. You just have to read past the headlines and look at the science.
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Jan 25, 2015 20:51:22   #
nakkh wrote:
So then Cruz is either ignorant or grandstanding .




Or both. :)


Based on the evidence, both.
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Jan 25, 2015 20:33:00   #
Cruz's proposal is unnecessary. The constitution already provides that citizenship may be removed from individuals who serve in a foreign army voluntarily.
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Jan 25, 2015 00:28:18   #
robertjerl wrote:
What counts in the end is murder rate, not method, k**lers use guns because it is easy. No gun, they will use edged weapons, clubs etc., the army taught me how to use a rolled up newspaper, wire and numerous other things as improvised weapons.

No matter what the k**ler used, you are just as dead, there is no such thing as deader or deadest, there is just dead


The murder rate is important, but the video misrepresents the story. Yes, the US is mid-range in murder rate, but if you exclude third world countries, and focus only on industrialized nations the story is much different. Among the 21 top industrialized nations the US murder rate is the highest, and not by a little. The murder rate for males 15-24 years of age in the US is 21.9/100,000 (and 4 times as high for black males of the same age bracket). The next highest murder rate in industrialized countries is Scotland, with a rate of 5/100,000. Austria has the lowest rate, 0.3/100,000.
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Jan 24, 2015 14:54:07   #
Bad statistics using nuanced terminology is all this appears to be. He says that the US has a lower murder rate, despite having the highest per capita gun ownership rate in the world. What this guy ignores is that the US also has the highest murder rate with guns than anywhere else in the world. I'm not making a case for or against gun ownership, just pointing out a flawed argument.
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Jan 21, 2015 01:13:40   #
Racmanaz wrote:
Not exactly, our laws were established with the concept of some Christian/Judaism values so Christianity and Judaism are not foreign to our Constitution.
Lightning will probably strike me, but I agree with you. Nevertheless, you won't be able to go into an Alabama court and claim that your Jewish/Christian religion justifies what you did (perhaps stoning an unfaithful wife or banning lepers from your neighborhood). But I think this was already so, and the Alabama law is just pandering to the e*****rate.
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Jan 20, 2015 17:42:39   #
bcheary wrote:
You have to be one of those liberal Muslim sympathizers. Read the post and try to understand that this is about the law of our land, The Constitution, not some blithering crap about religion. :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :hunf: :XD: :XD:


"The amendment, which prohibits the use of foreign codes of law in Alabama courts, passed overwhelmingly by a v**e of about 72-28%."

The only "American" code I know of belongs to North American indigenes. The law of our land with regard to religious codes is already well stated in the US Constitution. The actions of some Alabama legislators (who historically have not distinguished themselves) has nothing to do with the law of the land.
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Jan 20, 2015 17:15:50   #
bcheary wrote:
http://conservativetribune.com/muslims-shariah-alabama-bad-news/?
Since this refers to "foreign" religions, I assume that includes those middle eastern religions, Christianity and Judiasm.
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Jan 18, 2015 22:07:43   #
Keenan wrote:
The first polio v*****e was not until the 1950's even though polio, along with most other infectious diseases that were rampant in the early 1900s, were mostly wiped out in the US before v*****es became available, because of changes in hygiene and sanitation and diet in the first few decades of the 1900's in the US. If you watch the video, it discusses this issue extensively - the actual factors that were responsible for the vast reduction in infectious diseases, which occurred before v*****es were available in just about every single example of disease epidemic.
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Not correct. In fact, the worst epidemic of polio in the history of the U.S. occurred in the 1950's. The effect of improved hygiene in the first half of the 20th century resulted in a shift in the disease prevalence from infants to older individuals, but the incidence overall was horrific.
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