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Jul 28, 2016 16:34:03   #
...it lacks the d lens' optical control. -- Maybe today Nikon thinks the extra DC control is overkill and subject to mis-use? It may be that Nikon has now automated the extra DC control, in favor of simplicity: designed-in linear, continuous defocus from the point of focus, as I think of it in my own words. While Nikon does not explicitly state any such thing, if you are familiar with the design goals of the 58mm 1.4 G around depth rendering -- see nikkor.com -- lessons learned from the 58mm must have informed this design (p=1.0). Having said this, I just saw that my underscored remark is supported: ...smooth alteration from the focus plane, ensuring natural depth of subjects, via the embodiment of NIKKOR's unique design concept of "three-dimensional high fidelity", is now realized while also incorporating an AF system.... The last four words seem to me to support apaflo's and quixdraw's thinking that this offering displaces the (manual-focus) DC.

I notice there is no CP filter recommended as an accessory. I posted a question to Nikon last night about using their 82mm CP II filter with this new lens, in light of yesterday's UHH discussion of suppressing face shine. Note the brutal face shine on the subject in the red shirt at http://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product/camera-lenses/af-s-nikkor-105mm-f%252f1.4e-ed.html?cid=EML:MKT:072716:Announ:Nikkor:105mm:btn:LearnMore:Other.

wj cody wrote:
i use leica and from where my experience lies, there is still nothing out there which beats the 50mm f2 summicron or the 50mm f1.4 summilux lenses. in 35mm you have the 35mm f2 asph summicron and the 35mm f1.4 asph summilux, both stunning lenses.
the 105 1.4 nikon, being a G lens lacks the manual aperture ring - a big disappointment. also a 105mm lens at 1.4 has about zero depth of field, so pretty useless for portraits. a 105mm lens at 5.6 for instance has a depth of field from the tip of the nose to the eye of the subject matter, in portraiture. the only advantage over the 105mm f2 d nikkor lens will be the amount of light coming through the viewfinder, and also it lacks the d lens' optical control.

and of course, no one has mentioned the leitz 0.95 or 1.1 noctilux in 50 mm. if you want something with great resolving power and a silly maximum aperture, neither canon or nikon comes close.

for anything to come close to the 90mm f2 summicron is an exercise in futility. it must be remembered that rangefinder cameras produce superior images to dslr devices as the rear element of the lens lies much closer to the film plane, or sensor of the digital leica bodies. that is the joy of using leica, either for film or digital imaging.

other than marketing, i do not see any reason why anyone would want to purchase the nikon 105 f1.4, and i say that as i also have used nikon since 1959. it looks like an exercise in one upsmanship in regard to the canon lens system. of course, it won't stop folks from purchasing on of these.

having said all of that, in 58mm focal length, the minolta md rokkor 58mm f1:1.2 still pretty much flogs anything else out there. and the 100mm f2 af rokkor is legendary along with the 35mm af 1.4 rokkor. both camon and nikon have worked 25 years to catch up with these lenses. no better glass in the world for slr or dslr devices.
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Jul 28, 2016 14:54:42   #
These images are exceptional and allow us to see interesting detail. I notice your control of foreground DoF. Thanks.

Mubashm wrote:
I took these photos of the bees who came on our deck to drink the nectar. I got this plant flowers of which attract the hummingbirds, butterflies and other insects. In most of the pictures, you can clearly see the bee tongue extended out to drink the nectar.

Mohammed
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Jul 27, 2016 15:19:33   #
Newbie here; was wondering about this to myself and now I know.
Would not be amiss to have a hood on the lens, for good measure.
kymarto wrote:
What I don't get is why no one mentions that the best fix for shiny skin is to have a polarizing filter on your lens at the outset.
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Jul 27, 2016 04:57:21   #
Leitz wrote:
While such experimentation has much entertainment value, you are unlikely to discover anything that is not already well known.



Yes, unlikely but I never thought about entertainment or discovery. You and I are just not on the same page.
Since I'm new to photography, my experiments are about learning which tools and procedures work, by reading, doing, and observing -- and less than about discovery. Maybe I should have said trials, instead of experiments.

For scientific discovery, I continue to build out a software patent portfolio.
PM me and I'll give you a number of a patent awarded to me, for you to look at, an experiment that worked.
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Jul 27, 2016 04:43:57   #
I would not argue with the designers at Nikon.

Well, it would just have to be manual in 1966, although I have the later AF. Check out live view some time; you'll discover you can focus more accurately using manual in live view than with, say, my D810's autofocus.
Pablo8 wrote:
You are probably aware that some of Nikon's older products have not been surpassed, the 1966 55mm f/3.5 Auto being a case in point,

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Is that the manual - macro (Micro) lens?
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Jul 26, 2016 19:09:54   #
...sounds as though you have some doubts on the newest advances...

Curiosity, not doubts. And a scientist's disposition to experiment and get to the next level of continuous improvement...
Actually, I was hoping for content references to amplify on the replied-to remarks; maybe you have some favorite resources.

Experiments? Like image on polarizing film versus image on filter; filter versus filter; cross-polarization (See Hunter if you need to.) or not; and so on. Just like the everyday comparisons among lenses, hoods, and lighting that I do for my modest commercial-production work.

You are probably aware that some of Nikon's older products have not been surpassed, the 1966 55mm f/3.5 Auto being a case in point, wrt resolution -- see Sato at nikkor.com. Other examples are the D lenses still sold on Nikon.com.

BTW, if you can contribute usefully on this topic, this is the place to do it.

hcmcdole wrote:
It sounds as though you have some doubts on the newest advances in polarizer filters and are about to test the newest filters against older ones?


hcmcdole wrote:
It sounds as though you have some doubts on the newest advances in polarizer filters and are about to test the newest filters against older ones?
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Jul 26, 2016 16:46:38   #
Useful post, esp. this, which I did not know: White balance can shift with flash power.
Thanks, jcboy3.

jcboy3 wrote:
There are lots of ways to approach this; you could buy some cheap Chinese flashes (Yongnou) and radio triggers. There is some chance the flash will fail early; getting fixed by shipping to China will take time and money so just buy an extra (i.e. buy 4 flashes if you want 3). Or pick up older name brand flashes (I like the Nikon SB-80DX) and radio triggers. These won't be TTL but that's not an issue in studio. If you go that route, I recommend Cactus V6 triggers; they allow up to 4 independent groups with remote power adjustment...very convenient when setting up.

You should get a flash meter to set flash power. The Sekonic meters are good but expensive; I recommend the Polaris meter if cost is a real issue.

You should have a good white balance target, and use it after you have set the power levels on your flashes. White balance can shift with flash power.

I recommend you get brolly umbrellas (like Photek softligher, these come with a diffusion cover) and/or rectangular and strip soft boxes, and grids to control light spill. This will let you work closer to a background. You need something large (e.g. 60" umbrella) for full body shots; smaller will work for head/torso shots.

Since this is for studio, I really do suggest you consider getting strobes with modeling lights rather than flashes. The modeling lights let you see what you will be getting without chimping. Look around for some used Alien Bees; these can be pretty inexpensive.

And get a boom for mounting a flash / strobe as hair/rim light.

And you can get large panel reflectors (or make some from foam core board).
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Jul 26, 2016 16:40:13   #
This is the most informative post, to me as I have not seen some of this info, for example, about B+W, except that their nano coat is about repelling dirt, etc.

I am just starting with polarization, on the lens and on the lighting. I now have film for use with lighting and Nikon's original linear and CP filters to prefix various lenses along with the most costly recent such filter from B+W.

My first problem with this "coated or not" discussion is that the molecules that do the polar-centric work on the light moving into the lens would have to be deposited on a substrate (optical glass), so are CP filters coated, by definition??? So it seems, to me!

Problem #2 is about the extra glass of the filter. Nikon has emphasized its filters' flatness as essential, I think to avoid causing reflections. In general, we prefer less glass. Since we can make a filter with film on a mount in front of a lens or strobe, would this be better than a glass approach? I'm set up to start doing a number of controlled comparisons.
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Jul 25, 2016 15:04:33   #
"The original 'normal' lens for 35mm cameras was the 50mm." Actually, no, but the comment as a whole is useful. Wrt my extract quoted:

Nikon pioneered and established the 50mm as normal with its innovative Nikkor-S Auto 50mm f/1.4 for the Nikon F. First delivered in the early 1960s, this lens family achieved balanced performance at all apertures. Per Oshita, The Nikkor-S Auto 50mm f/1.4 was the most popular NIKKOR lens during the Nikon F and F2 eras.

Before this redefinition of normal by acclamation, the normal space had not yet fully settled into its present form. 1.4 lenses were positioned as specialty, not normal, due to lack of balance. For example, Nikon came at the 50mm f/1.4 from its 5.8cm f/1.4, with an optical design having commonalities with its 5.0cm 1.1 rangefinder.

By 1977, many were pegging 45mm-55mm as standard normal [sic]. This discussion is still ongoing. For example, on YouTube, a photographer recommends Nikon's 60mm micro as more versatile than a 50mm to pack around, that is, normal enough, all practical things considered.

See Koch. See Braczko. See Oshita at http://nikkor.com/story/0044/.

rwilson1942 wrote:
I don't know of an article but here are my thoughts.
The original 'normal' lens for 35mm cameras was the 50mm. In general, wide angle was considered anything much 'shorter" than 50mm such as 35mm, 28mm etc.
Telephoto was considered anything much 'longer' than 50mm such as 85mm, 105mm, etc. Here is the definition of fisheye from Wikipedia, I think the term was originally applied to lenses capable of 180 degree coverage. 1:1 refers to a lens capable to producing a 'life sized' image on the sensor or film.
Macro is supposed to be 1:1 or greater but is frequently used to indicate a lens that is capable of closer than normal focus (what ever that means).
A lens description like "70-300mm F/4.5-5.6 Di LD Macro" are pretty meaningless in my opinion. "Angle of coverage" describes the angle range that a lens can image. That is the angle of the full image circle produced by the lens. It does not take into consideration the sensor size which is part of what defines 'angle of view', i.e. a FF lens has a much greater angle of coverage than the angle of view of that lens mounted on a crop sensor camera.
All of this is clouded by the whole 'crop sensor' verses FF thing.
As I said, normal, wide angle and telephoto as I defined it above is based on old 35mm cameras.
Hope this helps more that it confuses.
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Jul 19, 2016 18:24:39   #
Great comments.
Two issues about choosing a lens for landscapes that I've not seen mentioned here:
-Risk of composing a wider scene than the scene justifies, given the layout of the scene -- because you choose your widest lens or zoom setting
-Too much compression or the opposite -- again due to lens choice

Edia wrote:
The benefit of prime lenses is that you can get larger apertures for less money than you can with zoom lenses. This is advantageous where you want a short depth of field as in portrait photography. In landscape photography, you want a large depth of field where you stop down to f11 or f16. Less expensive Wide angle lenses or zoom lenses can be used for landscape photography. In most cases, the wider the angles are better for landscapes so a full frame camera is preferred for this type of shooting.
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Jul 18, 2016 13:32:52   #
Likewise, Nikon says in writing to turn it off when using a tripod. As I recall, there is some risk of overcompensation. Joer, above, says as much.

Tip: Be sure nothing in the environment is creating shocks or tremors.

jeep_daddy wrote:
Turn IS off. I spoke to a Canon rep a few days ago, and he said that even though most of the new Canon lenses can sense when they are on a tripod and turn off the IS, it's piece of mind knowing that you turned it off that that it won't be causing any shake/blur. It's really only important for those times when doing long exposures and you don't want any movement at all.
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Jul 18, 2016 13:24:06   #
Hunter et al. say how and why to set up your lights for that.


Wallbanger wrote:
Depending on what you're trying to accomplish with the copies of the book, a scanner may be a faster tool. Otherwise your lighting will be more important than anything else to get good, clean images of the pages.
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Jul 15, 2016 14:16:08   #
I appreciate the whole comment but especially the part about compressing (face) features. I've not heard it said that way. Mostly we hear about compressing distance at the long end and about exaggerating face features at the short end.

I'd note that Nikon has written that 105mm full-frame (100 for Canon) is ideal for portraits. Presumably this Nikon remark is about avoiding distortion of face features as well as about framing the subject.

machia wrote:
An 85mm will give you more compression as it will be equivalent approximately to a 125mm . The 50mm will be approximately equivalent to a 75mm , which is slightly wide for portraits .
The best portrait lenses in general fall between 85 and 105mm .
Test shots will allow you to see what pleases your eye .
Personally I'd go with the 85mm as this will give you an equivalency of about 125mm which to my eye is more flattering as it tends to compress rather than exaggerate features .
Good luck !
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Jul 14, 2016 14:21:41   #
It is the pre-D. And it is hot stuff.

Were it a D we would see a D to the right of 2.8.
It is the same as the later D, but the D is more friendly, mechanically, with manual-focusing;
except the D knows about distance/depth.
So if you shoot in manual mode, they are functionally interchangeable.

The D may have a better coating, but I doubt it. A lot.
Otherwise, the AI-S, the pre-D and the D have the same optical design.

I have the D but am hearing the present 1.8 20mm is noteworthy.
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Jul 13, 2016 13:35:49   #
Really useful, hard-to-find info. Thanks, as I have a number of the 80-200 variants.

Leon S wrote:
Nikon actually made more than two 80-200 lenses. The last in the series of 80-200 was produced with a motor. AFS model. The lens was a good lens, but shortly after release Nikon came out with its 70-200 vr (1) lens. It was an immediate success and shortly after stopped producing the 80-200 afs. However they kept producing the lens just prior to the 80-200afs. They had too many problems with the motor on the afs model. I was told now that you can't even get the motor replaced since parts are out of inventory. The earlier model is still being sold. It is a work horse and as sharp as the 70-200 vr2. I still have it and get as good if not better shots from it as my wife with the 70-200 vr2 she uses. For the listed reasons, I haven't move up to a newer mid range lens. Hope this helps some.
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