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Jul 6, 2020 18:20:06   #
Kmgw9v wrote:
52,000 new infections overnight.
Is that meaningless too?


By itself..... YES!
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Jul 6, 2020 18:18:23   #
Kmgw9v wrote:
Great.
And no shortage of infections—over 50,000 yesterday, probably as many today, to be followed by the suffering and death of Americans.
But, Trump is “handling it”.


Infections by themselves are meaningless to all except the truly ignorant.

Deaths are still declining.
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Jul 6, 2020 18:17:10   #
slocumeddie wrote:
The survey was taken in April, reflecting the situation in March.

Its now July.....there is no shortage of PPE's.


Don't confuse the f*****t progressives with facts..... It only confuses them and makes them more angry!

We don't need them beating their kids, wife's, and husbands any more then they already are!
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Jul 6, 2020 14:52:04   #
rstrick2 wrote:
this morning i was presented with an elusive animal the fisher cat to photograph. i was totally surprise by it presence as i was not expecting to see one as they are very reclusive


Excellent!
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Jul 4, 2020 12:49:09   #
rehess wrote:
This is based on actual data.

Given their current trends, your states Texas and Florida are in trouble, as even the Governors see, and as the Houston hospital now says.

You may choose to act any way you feel - I will continue to keep six feet away and wear a mask as our Governor recommends.


Let's be clear..... Again!

I've been social distancing and masking all along, and was wearing nitrile gloves into June (i still use them to gas the car).

My choice.

I watch TX closely, Fla less so. Yes, cases are increasing.... As expected. As I've already said it's positive test rates, ventilators, and deaths that are the imperative data for me. The hospitals have owned up for all services so don't be fooled into thinking they are full of COVID patients (yet).

There is a LONG, LONG way to go before anyone catches up to the East Coast states, and a big difference will always be the Cuomo/Murphy death marches into the long term care facilities..... They failed at their basic chore by not only not protecting the most vulnerable, they prescribed death's

Stay healthy!
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Jul 3, 2020 15:01:52   #
DennyT wrote:
Why? Because YOU made the claim not me .. back your words or it means nothing!


Are you seriously that freaking dull?

Can you really not read?

I DIDNT MAKE THE CLAIM!

Seriously....try and follow the thread.
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Jul 3, 2020 14:52:54   #
rehess wrote:
Recent data shows that Texas and Florida have followed almost exactly the same paths - paths which look like the “East Coast” several months ago.

You can argue your ‘facts’ all you want to, but you cannot disprove real truth. Large urban areas tend to elect ‘blue’ mayors. That is just the way it is. ‘Red’ leadership tends to be slower to reduce human decision-making, but sooner or later they arrive in the same area, so it is a mistake to make assumptions.

In Indiana, our ‘red’ governor encouraged, but did not insist on, use of masks when he ‘shut down’ the state in mid-March. At that time, a reporter from my county asked whether a county could require them, and he was told “yes”. At the time, our ‘blue county’ had the fifth number of cases in the state, and it did require their use indoors. The next county to the East is a ‘red’ county, and having maybe half as many cases, made no requirement. Today, our county is still fifth in the state with 1857 cases, but that ‘red’ county now is third in the state with 3133 cases, and yesterday they made mask usage mandatory indoors. Both counties got to the same place even though one is a ‘blue’ county with a population of about 266K and the latter is a ‘red’ county with a population of about 200K.
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Sorry you aren’t capable of reading actual data and facts and prefer to use emotion to “predict” the future. Given the conflicting info and alleged “facts” that came from the “experts”, it’s no wonder people are suspicious of them. Just look at the social distancing directions.....WHO says 3 feet, CDC says 6 feet.

I will still take the Tx and Fla cumulative results over the East coast states...... the Cuomo/Murphy death marches were not only tragedies, they were ethical nightmares.
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Jul 2, 2020 19:22:38   #
rehess wrote:
Actually not. These are old facts. Current infections are what matters today.

Looking at recent infections, FL and TX are very similar to each other and exponentially increasing. In both states, recent cases DWARF “East Coast” cases. Hospitals feel ‘under siege’ in FL and TX, and now NY controls entry from these states instead of the reverse.



Uh, no, they aren’t facts, they are current as of the end of June. Please don’t purposefully mislead by pretending cumulative data are “old facts” as that is intellectually weak.

Here’s some very recent days for you, State, Date, Cases, Deaths....
Fla, 7/1, 6583, 45
NJ, 7/1, 3432, 389
Tx, 7/1, 8076, 57
Az, 7/1, 4877, 88
Ca, 6/29/ 6367, 44 (I could not find 7/1 for Cali)

Yes, many states have large percentage increase in cases, are testing the shit out of their states. As you can see, Fla, Tx, Az, and Cali are WELL BEHIND NJ in deaths and, by the way, death rates.


Let’s go further, though, shall we....the updated death rates per 100,000 include.....
NJ. 169
NY. 165
Conn 121
Mass. 117
RI. 90
D.C. 78
These are the top 6 death rates in the U.S., in order.

Now, then stars you seem to fixate on....
Az. 23 (20th of all states)
Fla. 16 (25th of all states)
Tx. 8 (42nd of all states)

Now, simply put, these states were SO MUCH BETTER OFF then those eastern coastal states that they have a long way to go to catch up, and it’s clear that NJ, as an example, is still screwed. Also, it’s clear that the east coast death marches by the Democrat governors was a prime cause of these horrible numbers that did skew the entire country, and I will point out that Tx and Fla, in particular, did a great job early on of NOT creating such death marches by actually following the science and data by PROTECTING these most vulnerable groups.

Also note that versus NY both Tx and Fla Have more people and the percent of those over 60 (ie vulnerable) are higher in both Fla and Az, and about the same or slightly lower in Tx.

Having said all of that, I do believe the COVID team is doing the right thing in following the changes by city and county and in having CDC teams in every state. However, when getting all political or panicky over percent changes one does need to be aware of the base from which those percentages are derived.

I also believe that as in all experiments, it’s necessary to test change, measure it, and respond accordingly.

To close, the large proportion of new cases in Tx, Fla, and Az appear to be younger people, and those are the ones protesting, rioting, going to bars and drinking until the early mornings, and not wearing masks.
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Jul 2, 2020 18:53:13   #
CWGordon wrote:
Cykdelic: if only people could understand what you are trying to say...


If you can’t understand the simple data I have to question your intelligence...... the “stuff” isn’t that complex once you ignore your confirmation bias.
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Jul 2, 2020 18:51:52   #
TriX wrote:
Yes, all data is useless, as is all science and medical fact. Only angry and uninformed opinion is the answer... Since this has degenerated into stupidity and name calling by attic dwellers, I’m outta here - better things to do than argue with fools - wasted too much time already



The only angry persons are folks like you turning it all political then thinking you’re fooling anyone by ending a post with some version of “this shouldn’t be polítical”.

Let me refresh your memory..... in response to a post “Cookie223 wrote:
The hardest hit cities, and states are under Democratic control, so I took a wild guess!“

You posted the following:
“You mean like Texas, Florida and Arizona?” For you to think this wasn’t political because you’re so holier than thou is joke as your response was clearly political! Where was Cali, NJ, etc in your response? I understand you were responding to a political post, but do t pretend to not be political when you respond like that.

In fact, you later posted....
“The point is that this shouldn’t be politicized in any way - pro Democrat OR Republican (there’s plenty of blame and pain to go around to everyone) - it’s a MEDICAL issue, and my response to you was to point that out after you tried to make it one.”

These are why I pointed out you were a hypocrite and a partisan hack.






I think I pointed out where you were lying, a called you a hypocrite for it, and I called you a political hack. You’ve called me names and implied them. Don’t be so sanctimonious,
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Jul 2, 2020 18:40:06   #
TriX wrote:
See, you can’t have a respectful discussion without name calling, and that is why you’ll never convince anyone of your position. Want respect or consideration of your position, give respect and consideration. If not, you can rant and act out like an angry child and get exactly the lack of respect you deserve.


I have no interest in convincing anyone of any position....my main goal is to provide actual, accurate data, and to call folks like yourself on the carpet when you’re just being a political hack.
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Jul 2, 2020 17:09:45   #
TriX wrote:
No, you politicized it first, and I responded to you. You are missing the message, which is: the virus has nothing to do with politics except to the extent, that in general, the leadership of our country has not implemented or modeled an effective response. If you’d like to rely on numbers, publish the deaths per capita of South Korea or Canada and then defend the administration’s response (if you can do that in the context of a respectful conversation and leave out the ad hominem attacks which are always an indication of a weak argument). While you’re at it, use numbers from hospitalizations rather than deaths (which is a trailing indicator) or new cases (which is affected by the number of tests).
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Hospitalization rates are useless! The hospitals have started up elective and other surgeries, which drives it up.
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Jul 2, 2020 17:08:30   #
TriX wrote:
No, you politicized it first, and I responded to you. You are missing the message, which is: the virus has nothing to do with politics except to the extent, that in general, the leadership of our country has not implemented or modeled an effective response. If you’d like to rely on numbers, publish the deaths per capita of South Korea or Canada and then defend the administration’s response (if you can do that in the context of a respectful conversation and leave out the ad hominem attacks which are always an indication of a weak argument). While you’re at it, use numbers from hospitalizations rather than deaths (which is a trailing indicator) or new cases (which is affected by the number of tests).
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No....you’re a partisan political hack with a severe case of TDS! Everything you post has political points and Implications to it, and you’re too dull to recognize it in your own posts due to that same TDS.
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Jul 2, 2020 17:07:19   #
Starman441 wrote:
Your proposed "real story" is just Orange Kool Aid propaganda. And rest assured, nobody with common sense that can separate fact from fiction is buying your bovine feces.


....and you prove again that you’re a partisan hack member of the <69 IQ Club.

Step away from TDS, your fascist progressive masters, and get a brain.
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Jul 2, 2020 17:06:12   #
Starman441 wrote:
ALL of which could have been avoided by a rapid, dedicated response from our government leaders. BTW, your stats are skewed. The only important stat is transmission rate, infections vs. hospitalizations vs deaths. Once Texas, Arizona, & Florida 'reopened', a severe spike in infection rates occurred in those states. That's what's significant.


Actually.....no!

The fed response was actually pretty damn quick... we declared a national emergency less than 46 hours after WHO called the pandemic. If you recall, in 2009 it took closer to four months to declare a national emergency after WHO called the pandemic.

My stats are cumulative, not skewed, and as I’ve already stated increases in cases are meaningless, and percentages are even less meaningful, unless you understand the base numbers. As I’ve started several times It’s positive test rates, ventilators, and deaths per 100,000!

By the way. Tx and Fla were open for quite awhile before the recent spike (think protests and riots along with the bars and indoor a/c). They are still DWARFED by the East coast, which is skewed by the Democrat Governor death marches into the long term care facilities.
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